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hey mates..
I went for my FIRST interview on the 17th of March and i guess it went alright but you can never be too sure. I just wanna know whether any of you guys got any replies (positive or negative) from SIA yet??
Im freezing my arse and squeezing my balls waiting for a reply!!!!
PS: Any hints about what to expect for the 2nd interview?
I went for my FIRST interview on the 17th of March and i guess it went alright but you can never be too sure. I just wanna know whether any of you guys got any replies (positive or negative) from SIA yet??
Im freezing my arse and squeezing my balls waiting for a reply!!!!
PS: Any hints about what to expect for the 2nd interview?
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Originally Posted by Majulah
Hello everybody
I´m currently toying a lot with the idea of moving to SG again, wanting to join SQ. I have several questions about the cadet pilot programme and TR / employment with SQ. I noticed there is quite a number of very informed guys in here, so if you could please help me out...
thats what i have:
- JAA (European) ATPL (1500 hrs airline experience)
- can get a PR anytime (Singaporean wife)
- did flight training with high standard airline
- Multi Crew on Airbus
- i lived and worked in Spore before
- i do definitely not qualify for any current direct entry scheme into SQ
1) is the only way for me the cadet path?
2) if i take the cadet path, do i go to the lear training or straight to a TR? and how long would i be in training?
3) obviously i would go through all the selection steps. how many of them?
4) does the hiring outlook at SQ have an upward or downward tendency?
5) do you know anybody with a similar career history/career plan?
Thank you very much for any helpful comments / information.
Greetings!
I´m currently toying a lot with the idea of moving to SG again, wanting to join SQ. I have several questions about the cadet pilot programme and TR / employment with SQ. I noticed there is quite a number of very informed guys in here, so if you could please help me out...
thats what i have:
- JAA (European) ATPL (1500 hrs airline experience)
- can get a PR anytime (Singaporean wife)
- did flight training with high standard airline
- Multi Crew on Airbus
- i lived and worked in Spore before
- i do definitely not qualify for any current direct entry scheme into SQ
1) is the only way for me the cadet path?
2) if i take the cadet path, do i go to the lear training or straight to a TR? and how long would i be in training?
3) obviously i would go through all the selection steps. how many of them?
4) does the hiring outlook at SQ have an upward or downward tendency?
5) do you know anybody with a similar career history/career plan?
Thank you very much for any helpful comments / information.
Greetings!
1) is the only way for me the cadet path?
Most likely.
2) if i take the cadet path, do i go to the lear training or straight to a TR? and how long would i be in training?
Could be either. Lear training is about 70 days in Maroochydore, near Brisbane. Fleet conversion is anything up to 12 months to being checked out as First Officer. Research either the Singapore Flying College website or the SIA website.
3) obviously i would go through all the selection steps. how many of them?
Research this thread.
4) does the hiring outlook at SQ have an upward or downward tendency?
Each intake of cadet pilots every 6 weeks now, is about 25, more than compared to the same time last year. How long this will last, who knows?
5) do you know anybody with a similar career history/career plan?
Yes. The slight differences was that he was a Captain on MAS but flying Twin Otters (no jet time). Joined as a cadet, jumped through ALL the hoops, got credit for hours where possible, and became Captain faster than normal because of his previous job experience.
Some comments:
If I understand you correctly, according to the questions you have listed, whatever the answers are, they have no effect on your decision to join, correct?
Joining SQ (like any other airline) is not like buying a knock-down bed from Ikea where you just screw all the bits together and then you WILL get a bed, one way or the other. There are many "failure points" in the cadet / DEFO selection process, and since yours is unusual, all the more so do you need to just get out there and do it. Therefore asking who has done this before, and trying to clone THEIR process, is no sure bet to say the least.
The trick therefore is how to do it with the least risk and disruption (if possible without quitting your present job) so that if the process fails, you have not yet started something painful or difficult to undo but merely have just lost a bit of time investment. For sure, saying "but I read on PPRuNe that so-and-so succeeded, so why not I?" will do nothing to help you even if there are 100 similar cases to yours which have succeeded. If your application fails you can't bring up those cases and insist that they choose you.
The sequence to this application process is therefore vital, to say the least. Get your PR first.
The people in Flight Ops HR admin have no imagination and will not give you advice. If you don't meet the specs, you fail, pure and simple. They will not be bothered to tell you how to fix your problem. They will not look into the future and say to you, if you do this, then we might hire you, because they are just too afraid that they will become cornered by their own advice.
It is possible to get PR whilst overseas; search the Singapore immigration website for the procedure on this. It is not costly either. At least this will let you continue with your life in parallel while you start the process going.
Remember that cadetship hinges on the PR requirement - no PR, no cadetship. (If you qualify as DEFO, then there is no PR requirement.) So that is the first thing you need to settle - the PR issue. This way you can avoid the stigma of being a "reject" if you apply for DEFO (without yet being a PR) and fail. If you have PR and you apply for cadetship, and if they decide to fast track you to DEFO, you have lost nothing and gained everything. Of course, mere PRship is not a guarantee of selection, merely eligibility.
And finally - as a cadet, you have no control over where you go. Could be mainline, cargo (SinCargo) or regional (SilkAir). Mentally you must accept that. Of course you can reject their offer, IF they tell you where you are going at the offer stage. But even if they do, the contract has a clause that lets them change their mind. So know that.
Good luck.
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Lasik Query
Hi,
Is there any aviation examiner or CAAS staff who can advise the criteria set for those who had done Lasik ops? Is 500 deg pre-ops the max that SIA would take for their Cadet Pilot training? Is there also a 1 year separation requirement, from time of operation to the time of acceptance to training program in SIA? I love flying and I had my Lasik done.. in hope of a flying career.. But my pre-ops is above the 500 deg mark..
Thanks!
Love4Flights
Is there any aviation examiner or CAAS staff who can advise the criteria set for those who had done Lasik ops? Is 500 deg pre-ops the max that SIA would take for their Cadet Pilot training? Is there also a 1 year separation requirement, from time of operation to the time of acceptance to training program in SIA? I love flying and I had my Lasik done.. in hope of a flying career.. But my pre-ops is above the 500 deg mark..
Thanks!
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Thermal Image,
Thank you very much for your comments and information. Highly appreciated!
Of course i dont want to clone anybody's (successful) hiring process. I also know that - as anybody else - i could fail the very first interview. But I like to have an optimistic approach on things, whilst being safe with taking wise decisions.
Yes, i will settle my PR first.
I hope one day i will be able to help out other people with SQ matters, just as you did.
Good luck to everybody, hope to see you at Changi one day.
Greetings!
Thank you very much for your comments and information. Highly appreciated!
Of course i dont want to clone anybody's (successful) hiring process. I also know that - as anybody else - i could fail the very first interview. But I like to have an optimistic approach on things, whilst being safe with taking wise decisions.
Yes, i will settle my PR first.
I hope one day i will be able to help out other people with SQ matters, just as you did.
Good luck to everybody, hope to see you at Changi one day.
Greetings!
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Love4Flights,
Eyesight is key to being a pilot. That's the first criterior. Lasik, even though accepted by SIA, they are still very careful in their screening as even though after one year, your eyes are perfect, it is not proven that it will be such forever. That is why those that had gone through lasik need an optomologist clearance every year. However, SIA frowns upon people who have more than 500 degrees for pre-op. That's what it's set. (even the CAAS people advised that.) I don't know of any cases that have advanced yet. Anyone care to shed more light on this?
Eyesight is key to being a pilot. That's the first criterior. Lasik, even though accepted by SIA, they are still very careful in their screening as even though after one year, your eyes are perfect, it is not proven that it will be such forever. That is why those that had gone through lasik need an optomologist clearance every year. However, SIA frowns upon people who have more than 500 degrees for pre-op. That's what it's set. (even the CAAS people advised that.) I don't know of any cases that have advanced yet. Anyone care to shed more light on this?
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Recently, I went for my 2nd interview.
But, on the following day, I was told that I need not go for my medical checkup.
Does anyone know whether SIA will reply us with a letter/email stating that I have been rejected? Now, I don't know whether I am under KIV or forever rejected. Thank you.
But, on the following day, I was told that I need not go for my medical checkup.
Does anyone know whether SIA will reply us with a letter/email stating that I have been rejected? Now, I don't know whether I am under KIV or forever rejected. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by silent
Recently, I went for my 2nd interview.
But, on the following day, I was told that I need not go for my medical checkup.
Does anyone know whether SIA will reply us with a letter/email stating that I have been rejected? Now, I don't know whether I am under KIV or forever rejected. Thank you.
But, on the following day, I was told that I need not go for my medical checkup.
Does anyone know whether SIA will reply us with a letter/email stating that I have been rejected? Now, I don't know whether I am under KIV or forever rejected. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by silent
Recently, I went for my 2nd interview.
But, on the following day, I was told that I need not go for my medical checkup.
Does anyone know whether SIA will reply us with a letter/email stating that I have been rejected? Now, I don't know whether I am under KIV or forever rejected. Thank you.
But, on the following day, I was told that I need not go for my medical checkup.
Does anyone know whether SIA will reply us with a letter/email stating that I have been rejected? Now, I don't know whether I am under KIV or forever rejected. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by silent
Yes, it was.
Well then, looks like nothing has changed for the better after all these years.
In this day and age of e-mail (which has been in widespread use EVEN in SIA for the last 5 years) and how easy it is to set up a standard rejection e-mail script, it's comforting to hear that some folks are still resorting to human touches like conveying bad news by telephone.
Nah, I'm dreaming.
Must be one of those creative look-busy techniques that Joyce is famous for (among other things). After all, making phone calls takes at least three times longer than slinging out rejection e-mails by the dozens, what with having to play telephone tag, spend at least 30 seconds per call, dear-oh-dear, there's just simply too much work to do!
I'll go for the truth - she's just too lazy or backward to learn such productivity enhancing skills. She also relishes being in charge and telling cadidates - YOU FAILED!
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How long after the medical checkup will SIA inform you if you've been selected? My med. was a couple of weeks back and till now, no news at all. 
If however, one fails his medical, will SIA inform the person straight. Is there any form of rejection letter or just another waiting game? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Thermal Image
Must be one of those creative look-busy techniques that Joyce is famous for (among other things). After all, making phone calls takes at least three times longer than slinging out rejection e-mails by the dozens, what with having to play telephone tag, spend at least 30 seconds per call, dear-oh-dear, there's just simply too much work to do!
I'll go for the truth - she's just too lazy or backward to learn such productivity enhancing skills. She also relishes being in charge and telling cadidates - YOU FAILED!
I'll go for the truth - she's just too lazy or backward to learn such productivity enhancing skills. She also relishes being in charge and telling cadidates - YOU FAILED!
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You can actually call CAAS up youself to see if you've passed the medical. They should have the results in about a week. But whether SIA accepts you or not, even if you've passed the medical, is a different matter. Whatever the result, SIA will usually inform you thru email, sometimes with a call.
How long after the medical checkup will SIA inform you if you've been selected? My med. was a couple of weeks back and till now, no news at all. If however, one fails his medical, will SIA inform the person straight. Is there any form of rejection letter or just another waiting game? Thanks.
Originally Posted by ianlow
How long after the medical checkup will SIA inform you if you've been selected? My med. was a couple of weeks back and till now, no news at all. If however, one fails his medical, will SIA inform the person straight. Is there any form of rejection letter or just another waiting game? Thanks.Join Date: Jun 2005
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Hi Knight, I've called CAAS last wk. Was informed that they cleared my med. and submitted it back to SIA on 23 Mar. Now only waiting for SIA to decide whether to take me in or not. BTW, if they want to reject me, will they send me a rejection letter soon? Thx.
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Normally, most of the time, once they have sent you for medical, you are considered in already. (this is because your medical is not free, they won't let you have a free medical for the sake of it, under their expense.) However, the current batch may have enough people and they may just bump you to a later batch. You may not be of age yet, They also can check up your medical history and if they find any fault, they won't take you in. It's a waiting game yet again. But don't despair, just hope for the best and be patient. All the best.
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greetings ppl,
I just got an invitation for an interview in Hotel Nikko@22nd April 06. I sent in my application in December. Finally, the wait is over I'm overjoyed! Gotta start burning the midnight oil again. Anyone who is attending the interview on the same date kindly drop me a PM k! Cheers and good luck!
I just got an invitation for an interview in Hotel Nikko@22nd April 06. I sent in my application in December. Finally, the wait is over I'm overjoyed! Gotta start burning the midnight oil again. Anyone who is attending the interview on the same date kindly drop me a PM k! Cheers and good luck!
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Originally Posted by Knightwhosays_NI
Very true. Unfortunately, there are some higher up the mgmt ladder who think highly of her. I guess there's quite a lot of brown-nosing involved there. Reminds me of that story of the monkeys in the tree. The monkeys looking down only see smiling faces. The monkeys looking up see only asses.
The cadets looking up see nothing but darkness - because her fat ass just totally blocks out the light.
Her boss looking down at her just sees her smiling greasy face.
The screeching from the monkeys below are muffled by same said fat ass.
Nobody is none the wiser.
Joyce keeps her job.
Can visualise?