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for some odd reason i think i've read somewhere holding a CPL might not qualify for cadet programme *shrug* dun mark my words tho, just call up the cadet department and ask if you want the real answer, but as far as i know PPL doesn't get exempted in the program, which means i dunno what happens if i actually get in since my PPL is issued by australian government.....exactly the same as the cadet one, so i dunno how i can sit the exam again :|
and as far as the 14 month training goes, actual learning of the CPL will only take 4-6 months, but they make it longer to teach u conduct stuff within the company i think, more procedure stuff than actual flying
and as far as the 14 month training goes, actual learning of the CPL will only take 4-6 months, but they make it longer to teach u conduct stuff within the company i think, more procedure stuff than actual flying
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PPL, CPL, CASA. FAA, doesn't matter, you will do it all again when you go down to ADL. Holding any flying licence does not preclude you from cadet selection. I know of two cadet guys who are going to ADL, one holds a CASA (Aussie) CPL, one holds PPL. The reason for this is because when you train in ADL you are working on your HKCAD licences not CASA. I guess they want to standardise everyone too.
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Hmmm...I don't get it, Moggy. You're griping about something that, for the simplest of reasons, does not mean much. In fact, someone who can assume so much, and get so many facts wrong at the same time, it tells me something about you that an interviewer may pick up and say "please try again". If you are not sure about something, then do not volunteer information, or you will just dig a deeper hole for yourself. This is the standard practice for any line check or job interview.
Do give it a try, humbility is always quite an asset in any cockpit. Confidence is a must, but cannot be flaunted.
And what is the hurry? You are still young by the looks of it. There are many who have joined the ranks who have passed their 30's, and are still going strong. May I suggest that you take your time, learn a bit about life and yourself, then try again.
And have a degree or two to back yourself up. You seem to be adamant that degrees are worth something, but it probably hasn't occured to you that there is a significant chance you may not get in (there are many applicants who have better qualifications than you do sitting on the sidelines). What are you going to do then?
Good luck in your endeavours, and be patient.
Do give it a try, humbility is always quite an asset in any cockpit. Confidence is a must, but cannot be flaunted.
And what is the hurry? You are still young by the looks of it. There are many who have joined the ranks who have passed their 30's, and are still going strong. May I suggest that you take your time, learn a bit about life and yourself, then try again.
And have a degree or two to back yourself up. You seem to be adamant that degrees are worth something, but it probably hasn't occured to you that there is a significant chance you may not get in (there are many applicants who have better qualifications than you do sitting on the sidelines). What are you going to do then?
Good luck in your endeavours, and be patient.
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i think ppl are missing something, when u study at ADL you are getting an Australian PPL, CPL, but because CX sent you there they can transfer your license to a HKCAD on completion, which means while you are in australia you sit the CASA examinations, i dunno if CASA will allow someone with a CASA PPL or CPL to sit the exam again, but from logics your application should not get through, and if anyone was so interested to argue i'll find u CASA's number and you can phone them yourselves. From a political point of view australia and hong kong has no kind of bonds, so what makes you think australian government will let a bunch of people fly around on a hong kong student, PPL, CPL license?
as for Flying Bagel, i have a lot to do shall i get in or not, if i don't get in its a lot simpler, i was on intermission of my degree, i'll just be back at uni finishing off my bachelor of engineering / bachelor of law, which to say the least doesn't leave me in any bad situations, if i get in i actually checked degrees that i can learn long distance, as i have no reliance on my abiliity or conditions to stay as a pilot forever
as for being young doesn't mean i don't have knowledge, thoughts or abilities beyond those older than me, getting in as early as possible will do me more good than harm, for starters i won't have a full time job or some kind of attached relation that could cause dilema towards or into the 30's, and although its not possible to take long distance engineering degree i could take a law or commerce, which fyi if taken in australia i could still be under the government HECS system while having a job with CX and learning somewhere on the other side of the globe
i graudated from the top high school down here in australia and was taught to be a leader not a follower, in this case meaning even if i have to assume and end up getting it wrong its better than sitting back waiting for things to happen and follow, whats wrong could be fixed, but whats passed cannot, and unless one wants to be utterly useless and take no initiative in solving problems one will encounter mistakes, and after all we all learn from mistakes ^^b
being young also has the advantage of greater learning capabilities, i do not know of anyone in the programme nor have i got any info, but i don't think theres a problem to assume that beyond ages of 30 chances of getting into a cadet programme is near 0, anyway if you loved flying that much why would you still be looking for cadetship at 30? and if u didn't desperately need it i think by 30 you should have a fairly stable job and life and unlikely wanting to disturb it
oh i missed something, i\'m not saying you will be exempted from any flying or learning, just saying if you sat any CASA examination and passed it you cannot sit the exam again, but since you are in the program with CX they\'ll probably take you through the whole program and make an internal exam just to check that you still have the knowledge
as for Flying Bagel, i have a lot to do shall i get in or not, if i don't get in its a lot simpler, i was on intermission of my degree, i'll just be back at uni finishing off my bachelor of engineering / bachelor of law, which to say the least doesn't leave me in any bad situations, if i get in i actually checked degrees that i can learn long distance, as i have no reliance on my abiliity or conditions to stay as a pilot forever
as for being young doesn't mean i don't have knowledge, thoughts or abilities beyond those older than me, getting in as early as possible will do me more good than harm, for starters i won't have a full time job or some kind of attached relation that could cause dilema towards or into the 30's, and although its not possible to take long distance engineering degree i could take a law or commerce, which fyi if taken in australia i could still be under the government HECS system while having a job with CX and learning somewhere on the other side of the globe
i graudated from the top high school down here in australia and was taught to be a leader not a follower, in this case meaning even if i have to assume and end up getting it wrong its better than sitting back waiting for things to happen and follow, whats wrong could be fixed, but whats passed cannot, and unless one wants to be utterly useless and take no initiative in solving problems one will encounter mistakes, and after all we all learn from mistakes ^^b
being young also has the advantage of greater learning capabilities, i do not know of anyone in the programme nor have i got any info, but i don't think theres a problem to assume that beyond ages of 30 chances of getting into a cadet programme is near 0, anyway if you loved flying that much why would you still be looking for cadetship at 30? and if u didn't desperately need it i think by 30 you should have a fairly stable job and life and unlikely wanting to disturb it
oh i missed something, i\'m not saying you will be exempted from any flying or learning, just saying if you sat any CASA examination and passed it you cannot sit the exam again, but since you are in the program with CX they\'ll probably take you through the whole program and make an internal exam just to check that you still have the knowledge
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Hi Flyingmoggy,
I dont have much to say with you anymore, but I would like to response to so of your previous post.
"as for Flying Bagel, i have a lot to do shall i get in or not, if i don't get in its a lot simpler, i was on intermission of my degree, i'll just be back at uni finishing off my bachelor of engineering / bachelor of law, which to say the least doesn't leave me in any bad situations, if i get in i actually checked degrees that i can learn long distance, as i have no reliance on my abiliity or conditions to stay as a pilot forever"
Well, I am gald that you are working towards to your double degrees. And I have to agree with you that it is important to have a backup plan if your pilot career doesnt work out.
"as for being young doesn't mean i don't have knowledge, thoughts or abilities beyond those older than me, getting in as early as possible will do me more good than harm, for starters i won't have a full time job or some kind of attached relation that could cause dilema towards or into the 30's"
Prepare to have your flame suit on, you are still young and naive, you think you know everything or you can do everything, but you are not. Relax, and give yourself a few more years to experience what life really is and learn from it, esp from the people around you, i bet you will a different view in the future.
"i graudated from the top high school down here in australia and was taught to be a leader not a follower, in this case meaning even if i have to assume and end up getting it wrong its better than sitting back waiting for things to happen and follow"
I dont quite understand the second half of this paragraph. Although, it is good that you were taught to be a leader, but follower is just as important, with flying, you need to have both of these qualities. And thats want teamwork is all about, is to be able to work hand in hand and utilize available resources to conduct safe flights and problem solving.
"being young also has the advantage of greater learning capabilities, i do not know of anyone in the programme nor have i got any info, but i don't think theres a problem to assume that beyond ages of 30 chances of getting into a cadet programme is near 0, anyway if you loved flying that much why would you still be looking for cadetship at 30? and if u didn't desperately need it i think by 30 you should have a fairly stable job and life and unlikely wanting to disturb it"
You are wrong on this one, there was a thread mentioning a cadet pilot started in the programme at his age of 33 or something. CX maximum age requirement is 35., I believe. As to whatever an individual might do to his or her career at, near or pass 30, it doesnt really matter. Because he or she might JUST realized flying is what they truely wanted.
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I dont have much to say with you anymore, but I would like to response to so of your previous post.
"as for Flying Bagel, i have a lot to do shall i get in or not, if i don't get in its a lot simpler, i was on intermission of my degree, i'll just be back at uni finishing off my bachelor of engineering / bachelor of law, which to say the least doesn't leave me in any bad situations, if i get in i actually checked degrees that i can learn long distance, as i have no reliance on my abiliity or conditions to stay as a pilot forever"
"as for being young doesn't mean i don't have knowledge, thoughts or abilities beyond those older than me, getting in as early as possible will do me more good than harm, for starters i won't have a full time job or some kind of attached relation that could cause dilema towards or into the 30's"
"i graudated from the top high school down here in australia and was taught to be a leader not a follower, in this case meaning even if i have to assume and end up getting it wrong its better than sitting back waiting for things to happen and follow"
"being young also has the advantage of greater learning capabilities, i do not know of anyone in the programme nor have i got any info, but i don't think theres a problem to assume that beyond ages of 30 chances of getting into a cadet programme is near 0, anyway if you loved flying that much why would you still be looking for cadetship at 30? and if u didn't desperately need it i think by 30 you should have a fairly stable job and life and unlikely wanting to disturb it"
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i think ppl are missing something, when u study at ADL you are getting an Australian PPL, CPL, but because CX sent you there they can transfer your license to a HKCAD on completion, which means while you are in australia you sit the CASA examinations, i dunno if CASA will allow someone with a CASA PPL or CPL to sit the exam again, but from logics your application should not get through, and if anyone was so interested to argue i'll find u CASA's number and you can phone them yourselves. From a political point of view australia and hong kong has no kind of bonds, so what makes you think australian government will let a bunch of people fly around on a hong kong student, PPL, CPL license?
as for being young doesn't mean i don't have knowledge, thoughts or abilities beyond those older than me, getting in as early as possible will do me more good than harm, for starters i won't have a full time job or some kind of attached relation that could cause dilema towards or into the 30's, and although its not possible to take long distance engineering degree i could take a law or commerce, which fyi if taken in australia i could still be under the government HECS system while having a job with CX and learning somewhere on the other side of the globe
i graudated from the top high school down here in australia and was taught to be a leader not a follower, in this case meaning even if i have to assume and end up getting it wrong its better than sitting back waiting for things to happen and follow, whats wrong could be fixed, but whats passed cannot, and unless one wants to be utterly useless and take no initiative in solving problems one will encounter mistakes, and after all we all learn from mistakes ^^b
being young also has the advantage of greater learning capabilities, i do not know of anyone in the programme nor have i got any info, but i don't think theres a problem to assume that beyond ages of 30 chances of getting into a cadet programme is near 0, anyway if you loved flying that much why would you still be looking for cadetship at 30? and if u didn't desperately need it i think by 30 you should have a fairly stable job and life and unlikely wanting to disturb it
oh i missed something, i\'m not saying you will be exempted from any flying or learning, just saying if you sat any CASA examination and passed it you cannot sit the exam again, but since you are in the program with CX they\'ll probably take you through the whole program and make an internal exam just to check that you still have the knowledge
Again, I will be adamant in saying that, with your current state of mind, you are not ready for this job. I hope you can take your time, and sort through yourself before thinking seriously about reapplying. Though you can still apply again after failing again, it is probably a moot point for you at this juncture.
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i think ppl are missing something, when u study at ADL you are getting an Australian PPL, CPL, but because CX sent you there they can transfer your license to a HKCAD on completion, which means while you are in australia you sit the CASA examinations, i dunno if CASA will allow someone with a CASA PPL or CPL to sit the exam again, but from logics your application should not get through, and if anyone was so interested to argue i'll find u CASA's number and you can phone them yourselves. From a political point of view australia and hong kong has no kind of bonds, so what makes you think australian government will let a bunch of people fly around on a hong kong student, PPL, CPL license?
Obviously, this is not correct.
i graudated from the top high school down here in australia and was taught to be a leader not a follower, in this case meaning even if i have to assume and end up getting it wrong its better than sitting back waiting for things to happen and follow, whats wrong could be fixed, but whats passed cannot, and unless one wants to be utterly useless and take no initiative in solving problems one will encounter mistakes, and after all we all learn from mistakes ^^b
Taught to be a leader not follower?? Then cockpit work may not be suitable to you. It's simply a team work. Also, even if you can graduate from Cadet School, you will start off as an SO and this is the most junior post in the cockpit. Surely you can't get used to it.
being young also has the advantage of greater learning capabilities, i do not know of anyone in the programme nor have i got any info, but i don't think theres a problem to assume that beyond ages of 30 chances of getting into a cadet programme is near 0, anyway if you loved flying that much why would you still be looking for cadetship at 30? and if u didn't desperately need it i think by 30 you should have a fairly stable job and life and unlikely wanting to disturb it
Since you don't know anyone in the programme nor any info, your prediction on age problem can be ignored (Sorry, but how can a student from a top high school downunder can claim sth without any evidence?).
Please spend some time researching the forum and you will find your proclamation on age is NOT correct.
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did i say "near" 0 or "is" 0? please i don't want to go through an english lesson with people, only stating that the majority of the cadets are in their mid 20's
and i just rang up a CASA approved examiner down at my training school, even if your license is transferred to being a HKCAD while flying at ADL you need to hold a CASA license to fly as a student pilot, if you don't live in australia please phone up CASA and ask yourself, and when you say CX command the Parafield flying school i think you better review your choice of words, CX is amoungst one of the many airliners that has cadet pilots training there, and even some of australias airforce cadets are trained there, CX sends pilot to watch progress of cadets and fly with them and anyway its not up to Parafield to transfer any license
of course if u were flying outside australian airspace you probably could fly under HK command but parafield is more inland than adelaide international its actually 10 miles north east of it from what the CASA approved examiner told me even if CX somehow got government approval to issue HKCAD and exams at parafield the cadets would need to hold a CASA license for a simple fact that if you were to get ram checked outside parafield during cross country flights, u'll be holding a HKCAD which to the checkers is nothing more than an illegal license to fly with in australia
having said that i don't assume theres no chance that CX has enough power within CASA to have a special profile where their students in australia can be exepted of all CASA related issues, but hey chances are slim ^^;
and being a leader doesn't mean i cannot follow instructions or orders from superiors, much merely i will not follow instructions that seems incorrect in my view, i have little time to search, but if you search through www.theage.com.au there was an article about study of cockbit behaviour which showed that second and first officer is not likely to speak up to the captain even though their thoughts were actually much more ideal for the situation. should enough argument about this arise i'll take some time on sunday to locate the article
and just on a side note, do people know that on completion of the cadet programme you actually have no bond with CX? i was actually quite shocked in the interview when Belinda told me O_o; but apparently if CX for some reason didn't need cadets you'll just be left with a CPL and no where near enough TT to apply for any airliners
(originally i started the post to ask a few questions and state my situation and plans, i did not intend to start a debate on any issues so i\'m sorry if people found my posts a bit nerve racking i\'m just getting a little desperate for hardlined answers as my current time frame is running out fast
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and i just rang up a CASA approved examiner down at my training school, even if your license is transferred to being a HKCAD while flying at ADL you need to hold a CASA license to fly as a student pilot, if you don't live in australia please phone up CASA and ask yourself, and when you say CX command the Parafield flying school i think you better review your choice of words, CX is amoungst one of the many airliners that has cadet pilots training there, and even some of australias airforce cadets are trained there, CX sends pilot to watch progress of cadets and fly with them and anyway its not up to Parafield to transfer any license
of course if u were flying outside australian airspace you probably could fly under HK command but parafield is more inland than adelaide international its actually 10 miles north east of it
from what the CASA approved examiner told me even if CX somehow got government approval to issue HKCAD and exams at parafield the cadets would need to hold a CASA license for a simple fact that if you were to get ram checked outside parafield during cross country flights, u'll be holding a HKCAD which to the checkers is nothing more than an illegal license to fly with in australiahaving said that i don't assume theres no chance that CX has enough power within CASA to have a special profile where their students in australia can be exepted of all CASA related issues, but hey chances are slim ^^;
and being a leader doesn't mean i cannot follow instructions or orders from superiors, much merely i will not follow instructions that seems incorrect in my view, i have little time to search, but if you search through www.theage.com.au there was an article about study of cockbit behaviour which showed that second and first officer is not likely to speak up to the captain even though their thoughts were actually much more ideal for the situation. should enough argument about this arise i'll take some time on sunday to locate the article
and just on a side note, do people know that on completion of the cadet programme you actually have no bond with CX? i was actually quite shocked in the interview when Belinda told me O_o; but apparently if CX for some reason didn't need cadets you'll just be left with a CPL and no where near enough TT to apply for any airliners
(originally i started the post to ask a few questions and state my situation and plans, i did not intend to start a debate on any issues so i\'m sorry if people found my posts a bit nerve racking i\'m just getting a little desperate for hardlined answers as my current time frame is running out fast
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You're right when you say you need a CASA licence to fly around ADL, but just to clarify, that's what you do the GFPT for. That is the only official CASA licence that you will be doing, because that's the one that will allow you to log time in Oz legally, including solos which your instructor signs you off for. After your GFPT, the licences you will be studying for will be HKCAD valid only. This means that even though you will have a CPL after a few months, you won't be able to rent planes for yourself and fly around for hire or anything, coz the only CASA licence you will have under your belt is the GFPT.
Re: the non-bond after you finish your training, this is true if you don't get offered a position with CX. However, if you do get offered a big tin can seat, you are bound to the company for 6 years. The alternative to signing that 6 year contract is to pay back the training costs CX put up to send you to ADL (it's a LOT for paupers like me!). It's not strictly a bond, but there's a string tied to your ankle that only CX can choose to cut.
Understand that type A personalities (dictators, WWF wrestlers and pilots) love a good debate and will pounce on arguments which have holes that they can see. Make sure you cover yer ar$e when making points in these forums coz there are a lot of people who have been there, done that, are wearing the stripes and are in the know. Just a spot of experiential advice from someone who's had to go through a lot of pride swallowing sieges to get to where I'm at.
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You're right when you say you need a CASA licence to fly around ADL, but just to clarify, that's what you do the GFPT for. That is the only official CASA licence that you will be doing, because that's the one that will allow you to log time in Oz legally, including solos which your instructor signs you off for. After your GFPT, the licences you will be studying for will be HKCAD valid only. This means that even though you will have a CPL after a few months, you won't be able to rent planes for yourself and fly around for hire or anything, coz the only CASA licence you will have under your belt is the GFPT.
Re: the non-bond after you finish your training, this is true if you don't get offered a position with CX. However, if you do get offered a big tin can seat, you are bound to the company for 6 years. The alternative to signing that 6 year contract is to pay back the training costs CX put up to send you to ADL (it's a LOT for paupers like me!). It's not strictly a bond, but there's a string tied to your ankle that only CX can choose to cut.
Understand that type A personalities (dictators, WWF wrestlers and pilots) love a good debate and will pounce on arguments which have holes that they can see. Make sure you cover yer ar$e when making points in these forums coz there are a lot of people who have been there, done that, are wearing the stripes and are in the know. Just a spot of experiential advice from someone who's had to go through a lot of pride swallowing sieges to get to where I'm at.
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did i say "near" 0 or "is" 0? please i don't want to go through an english lesson with people, only stating that the majority of the cadets are in their mid 20's
Since you don't know ppl in, and have no info about cadet school, all those "near 0", "is 0" are not substantiated with evidence. "the majority of the cadets are in their mid 20's" was not found in previous messages, also, no evidence to support this.
of course if u were flying outside australian airspace you probably could fly under HK command but parafield is more inland than adelaide international its actually 10 miles north east of it from what the CASA approved examiner told me even if CX somehow got government approval to issue HKCAD and exams at parafield the cadets would need to hold a CASA license for a simple fact that if you were to get ram checked outside parafield during cross country flights, u'll be holding a HKCAD which to the checkers is nothing more than an illegal license to fly with in australia
It'll be good to substantiate the following:
...but because CX sent you there they can transfer your license to a HKCAD on completion...
and being a leader doesn't mean i cannot follow instructions or orders from superiors, much merely i will not follow instructions that seems incorrect in my view, i have little time to search, but if you search through www.theage.com.au there was an article about study of cockbit behaviour which showed that second and first officer is not likely to speak up to the captain even though their thoughts were actually much more ideal for the situation. should enough argument about this arise i'll take some time on sunday to locate the article
If your arguement follows, your definition of "leader" is quite different from the general public. Please note your choice of word then.
and just on a side note, do people know that on completion of the cadet programme you actually have no bond with CX? i was actually quite shocked in the interview when Belinda told me O_o; but apparently if CX for some reason didn't need cadets you'll just be left with a CPL and no where near enough TT to apply for any airliners
I was told that aviation knowledge can be taught. but personality is yours. Therefore I keep bearing in mind that my personality can be more important.
There are applications from candidates from "famous" uni's, with all types of ratings turned down. So, forget about your "top high school" / "taught to be leader" background.
i started the post to ask a few questions and state my situation and plans, i did not intend to start a debate on any issues so i'm sorry if people found my posts a bit nerve racking i'm just getting a little desperate for hardlined answers as my current time frame is running out fast
Then you have to look for why. As an "inactive" member, I have to drop my words as surprised by your previous posts and arguements.
(just a little note for you, I have several professional titles and I am doing my second degree.)
That's already been a very good reason for failing your application, based on "personality more important than knowledge" principle.
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my judgement for myself i didn't judge anyone or tell anyone what they should do or not do, or whats right and not right for them, so you shouldn't judge me either
famous university, my double degree or law/enineering is at Monash University, i was also offered commerce/engineering at Melbourne University, if they aren't classified as famous to you, i'm sorry i live in australia can't be helped
GFPT is a CASA examination so i don't know why Bagel is saying no CASA examination and flamed off on me
i'm sorry if you got upset at my posts but i'm only here to get some info on things i want to know, i don't see a need for the provokative and hostile replies, i'm always up for an argument as well but pursue it too long and it turns pointless
on a lighter sidenote, if you scroll back up to the top this forum does say "Professional Pilot Rumor Network" so i'm sorry if my rumors aren't true, but to my knowledge rumors didn't have to be true
once again i'm sorry for upsetting anyone please stop flaming me i just want some info /bow
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my judgement for myself i didn't judge anyone or tell anyone what they should do or not do, or whats right and not right for them, so you shouldn't judge me either
famous university, my double degree or law/enineering is at Monash University, i was also offered commerce/engineering at Melbourne University, if they aren't classified as famous to you, i'm sorry i live in australia can't be helped
GFPT is a CASA examination so i don't know why Bagel is saying no CASA examination and flamed off on me
i'm sorry if you got upset at my posts but i'm only here to get some info on things i want to know, i don't see a need for the provokative and hostile replies, i'm always up for an argument as well but pursue it too long and it turns pointless
on a lighter sidenote, if you scroll back up to the top this forum does say "Professional Pilot Rumor Network" so i'm sorry if my rumors aren't true, but to my knowledge rumors didn't have to be true
once again i'm sorry for upsetting anyone please stop flaming me i just want some info /bow
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i think ppl are missing something, when u study at ADL you are getting an Australian PPL, CPL, but because CX sent you there they can transfer your license to a HKCAD on completion, which means while you are in australia you sit the CASA examinations, i dunno if CASA will allow someone with a CASA PPL or CPL to sit the exam again, but from logics your application should not get through, and if anyone was so interested to argue i'll find u CASA's number and you can phone them yourselves.
And some of us don't deal with rumours. There are those of us who have gone through the program already, and are flying with CX, who sometimes browse this forum to offer help to those who need it.
i'm sorry if you got upset at my posts but i'm only here to get some info on things i want to know, i don't see a need for the provokative and hostile replies, i'm always up for an argument as well but pursue it too long and it turns pointless
As a repeat of what the previous posters have written, as a CX cadet, you need an Australian GFPT for general flight training. This is covered in due course as part of your training, and is, as you later correctly said, to cover your flying training in Australian airspace. But there are no PPL's on offer. The only actual license you get is the HK CPL, which is issued directly after completion of your module 5 training in Adelaide (and the HK ATPL, which is not a flight test, will be done at the end of your training period). There are no conversions needed, no Aussie retests. Just that. Your module 6 IR is also a HK component, and even if you just happen to hold an Australian CPL/IR, they are inconsequential. As for HKCAD licenses being illegal in Australia, your IR and CPL work is flown with an instructor, who's license covers the training, and your solo work is flown under the guise of the GFPT (there is no solo IR component). But again, you will never get an Australian PPL or CPL after completion of your training. If you want one, you will have to convert your HK CPL back again by taking a few more exams.
In any case, I sincerely hope you will take my advice, and take your time to reapply for this position. This is not to flame you or discourage you, but in the long run, it will truly benefit you. At least you have time on your side to sort out your future, which, in a sort of way, does lend creedence to your argument that youth is an asset.
But here is an assumption I will make. If you try again now, you will most likely fail the selection process again. I could be wrong, but I just have that inkling feeling.
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It is really exciting to see how this post progresses. It started off with your situation and a request for an opinion, than turn into you little show and tell.
As an observer, the "provokative and hostile replies" started with your rather irresponsible comments, such as the age issue.
I'm especially annoyed with
Honestly, there is nothing wrong with our english, but "near" 0 and "is" 0 makes not much of a difference; and in case you don't notice, you are rather inconsiderate, afterall this IS a wannabe forum.
You said earlier, you think you got rejected because of the interview part, and that you were too relaxed. Casue by looking at your replies, i could assume that you were a little over self-confident (perhapes cocky at times). Up from the very start, i got this feeling you are trying to PROVE your abilities (ur double degree, graduating from the top high school, a leader not a follower, etc)
Just a side note, although i'm not in the aviation industry yet, I do believe there is no "leader"/"follower" in the cockpit, but there is decision maker. Keep in mind that it's a team, and i would suppose everyone have to right to make a comment/ opinion in any situation, and the captain would decide what to do considering he has the most experience. Consider it SHARING, not exactly "speaking up".
PPRUNE is a great place to get info and to share your experiences. It seems to me that you might be taking our comments a little too personally/ seriously. As far as i know, Flying Bagel and others are just trying to help you out. I'm a design student, and critiques, attackes, etc, has become part of my life, and without a doubt it is part of everyone's life as well. Just take it easy friend.
no hard feelings, it might be your attitute that got you rejected.
It is really exciting to see how this post progresses. It started off with your situation and a request for an opinion, than turn into you little show and tell.
As an observer, the "provokative and hostile replies" started with your rather irresponsible comments, such as the age issue.
I'm especially annoyed with
did i say "near" 0 or "is" 0? please i don't want to go through an english lesson with people, only stating that the majority of the cadets are in their mid 20's
You said earlier, you think you got rejected because of the interview part, and that you were too relaxed. Casue by looking at your replies, i could assume that you were a little over self-confident (perhapes cocky at times). Up from the very start, i got this feeling you are trying to PROVE your abilities (ur double degree, graduating from the top high school, a leader not a follower, etc)
Just a side note, although i'm not in the aviation industry yet, I do believe there is no "leader"/"follower" in the cockpit, but there is decision maker. Keep in mind that it's a team, and i would suppose everyone have to right to make a comment/ opinion in any situation, and the captain would decide what to do considering he has the most experience. Consider it SHARING, not exactly "speaking up".
PPRUNE is a great place to get info and to share your experiences. It seems to me that you might be taking our comments a little too personally/ seriously. As far as i know, Flying Bagel and others are just trying to help you out. I'm a design student, and critiques, attackes, etc, has become part of my life, and without a doubt it is part of everyone's life as well. Just take it easy friend.
no hard feelings, it might be your attitute that got you rejected.
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if you can't deal with rumors maybe u should stay away from a forum thats states its rumors? i don't like quoting people but u said yourself that cadets don't take any CASA examinations, so whats GFPT? i'm sorry if i mixed up what a GFPT and PPL/CPL allows you to do in australia
the CASA approved examiner did tell me they'll need a CASA approved PPL to study the course here in australia, if he's wrong i'm sorry, i take a credited CASA worker's word over someone just posting online
your assumptions on what happens to me i think should not be included here, if you think its not worth your time replying just don't, i'm here for answers not unecessary abuse
sorry if i\'m taking posts too seriously or personally, don\'t be annoyed about the near 0 is 0, if this was a court case one could easily argue that 0.49 is near 0 as it is infact closer to 0 than 1
and i didn\'t have any kind of cocky attitude in the interview, it may appear so here because some are picking out lines and constantly bombarding me with negative comments i respect people whos knowledge in certain field are beyond mine, but i think i need to tolerate derogative comments from people who don\'t know me
most of my posts i say "i think" i don\'t normally say "it is" because i know that my knowledge could be incorrect, and also when i reply i don\'t go around saying "your wrong" like some are doing to me, i think we should all take a more friendly approach in here
Actually, you do not sit the CASA examination. The instructors there are qualified by the HKCAD to take you through to a HK CPL, including the testing, full stop. This is what I was telling you about assuming something, and digging a deeper hole for yourself.
your assumptions on what happens to me i think should not be included here, if you think its not worth your time replying just don't, i'm here for answers not unecessary abuse
sorry if i\'m taking posts too seriously or personally, don\'t be annoyed about the near 0 is 0, if this was a court case one could easily argue that 0.49 is near 0 as it is infact closer to 0 than 1
and i didn\'t have any kind of cocky attitude in the interview, it may appear so here because some are picking out lines and constantly bombarding me with negative comments i respect people whos knowledge in certain field are beyond mine, but i think i need to tolerate derogative comments from people who don\'t know me
most of my posts i say "i think" i don\'t normally say "it is" because i know that my knowledge could be incorrect, and also when i reply i don\'t go around saying "your wrong" like some are doing to me, i think we should all take a more friendly approach in here
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Exactly as your message. Originally, I merely surfed this board and absorbed info from various contributors here.
But I was quite annoyed by:
The battle started off by these two paragraphs. Note that it is not an "i think", but an "it is" statement.
It's very important for everyone (including me) to introspect ourselves in case of failure. There are two aspects, technically, and in term of personality.
Again, I was told that knowledge can be taught. Some foundation course or PPL would be more than adequate for CPP application, but personality is a very important factor.
It's always good to think about whether the applicant is "rejected" or "prevented".
People's reactions can be regarded as a mirror. If one is nice/polite/humble to others, the responses are generally in the same tone.
Knowing and understanding one's inadequacy is the first step towards success.
Facing one's own failure positively does help.
If not rectified, one mistake needs more mistakes to cover.
Exactly as your message. Originally, I merely surfed this board and absorbed info from various contributors here.
But I was quite annoyed by:
another question, how highly do they look at someone with a diploma? personally i think its retarded to say a person holding any kind of diploma has a high education level standard
i am personally in a double degree of chemical engineering / law in 2nd year, i fail to see how someone with a diploma would be reguarded as more capable to learn than someone in an actual bachelor degree
i am personally in a double degree of chemical engineering / law in 2nd year, i fail to see how someone with a diploma would be reguarded as more capable to learn than someone in an actual bachelor degree
The battle started off by these two paragraphs. Note that it is not an "i think", but an "it is" statement.
It's very important for everyone (including me) to introspect ourselves in case of failure. There are two aspects, technically, and in term of personality.
Again, I was told that knowledge can be taught. Some foundation course or PPL would be more than adequate for CPP application, but personality is a very important factor.
It's always good to think about whether the applicant is "rejected" or "prevented".
People's reactions can be regarded as a mirror. If one is nice/polite/humble to others, the responses are generally in the same tone.
Knowing and understanding one's inadequacy is the first step towards success.
Facing one's own failure positively does help.
If not rectified, one mistake needs more mistakes to cover.
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Ohhh geez....I havn't been on this forum for ages, but damn I do see alot of gun fire shooting at each other, this whole new topic took me so long just to read n understand it. LOL, may be im the one with english problem haha
Well, to be honest Mr. Flyingmoggy that "be the leader not the follower" theory of ur top-end High School is not necessary wrong, but Im not saying it is right either, just need to adopt it to the situation, may be your high school was only trying to get you guys do gud in the HSC, that's y they came up with the "leader" theory.
To be honest I was getting kinda piss off at wat you sed about Diploma people.....cos I currently studying a diploma in aviation, n be my guess, it's not easy at all. Just for your own reference, I go to school 5 days a week 8am to bloody 5pm. No doubts, everyone who wanna get into this aviation industry work their ass off!
BTW, ALL STATION (hehehe just feeel like using the correct term), I am just trying to express my feeling after reading such an intersting topic. If I said anything wrong please feel free to correct me by PM or even embarrass me in front of everyone here on this forum. Just to cool this "HOT" topic down abit.
Cheers guys!
Well, to be honest Mr. Flyingmoggy that "be the leader not the follower" theory of ur top-end High School is not necessary wrong, but Im not saying it is right either, just need to adopt it to the situation, may be your high school was only trying to get you guys do gud in the HSC, that's y they came up with the "leader" theory.
To be honest I was getting kinda piss off at wat you sed about Diploma people.....cos I currently studying a diploma in aviation, n be my guess, it's not easy at all. Just for your own reference, I go to school 5 days a week 8am to bloody 5pm. No doubts, everyone who wanna get into this aviation industry work their ass off!
BTW, ALL STATION (hehehe just feeel like using the correct term), I am just trying to express my feeling after reading such an intersting topic. If I said anything wrong please feel free to correct me by PM or even embarrass me in front of everyone here on this forum. Just to cool this "HOT" topic down abit.
Cheers guys!
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i'm sorry wongtaisin? did you read it properly? that quote u got there says "i think its"
Sorry for mis-reading. I will try my best to avoid mistake of this kind again in the future.
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Different people in the forum have been irriated by different quotes.
Anyway, it's good to cool down.
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Been long since I add my two cents.
I agree with Bagel, you don't belong among the elite Flyingmoggy, seems you a bit moggy around the head.
I think I see why you didn't make it far with cadet program.
Have fun on your high horse. Don't break your neck when you fall down.
I agree with Bagel, you don't belong among the elite Flyingmoggy, seems you a bit moggy around the head.
I think I see why you didn't make it far with cadet program.
Have fun on your high horse. Don't break your neck when you fall down.
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It's not a big deal wongtaisin, some people need a kick in the bum sometimes. Whether they will accept what you say is another matter. Most posts in this forum are quite neutral in this nature, though there are some who can irritate, and provoke the sort of condescending and argumentative notation that we see in this thread.
There are options. Of course you don't have to post, which is fine. Sometimes, you feel a need to tell the person that, look, perhaps your viewpoint is incorrect, and take a look at it yourself. Perhaps it's infuriating, perhaps you really do want to help. But ex-Cadets and hopefuls who post on this forum generally have a pleasant attitude, so it is not too far fetched when one comes in and displays a bit of arrogance. I think the slow degenerative nature of this thread clearly points this out.
Is it really a problem? Not really, everybody goes on with their own lives, and he will live on with his. Whether or not he will learn from his own is his perogative. He is still young, he will mature, hopefully in due time.
And Moggy, I've been through the program already, I know what you have to do for it, and how hard it was. If you cannot take my advice and information, it is your loss. Your precociousness will not make you any friends, nor your incessant attitude to point out that you have it all figured out win you any favours anymore. If you read my reply from which you drew the quote, it should accurately reflect what my answer is to what you just typed. If you wish to call BaE systems to find out, suit yourself.
That's all I have to say. No hard feelings either.
There are options. Of course you don't have to post, which is fine. Sometimes, you feel a need to tell the person that, look, perhaps your viewpoint is incorrect, and take a look at it yourself. Perhaps it's infuriating, perhaps you really do want to help. But ex-Cadets and hopefuls who post on this forum generally have a pleasant attitude, so it is not too far fetched when one comes in and displays a bit of arrogance. I think the slow degenerative nature of this thread clearly points this out.
Is it really a problem? Not really, everybody goes on with their own lives, and he will live on with his. Whether or not he will learn from his own is his perogative. He is still young, he will mature, hopefully in due time.
And Moggy, I've been through the program already, I know what you have to do for it, and how hard it was. If you cannot take my advice and information, it is your loss. Your precociousness will not make you any friends, nor your incessant attitude to point out that you have it all figured out win you any favours anymore. If you read my reply from which you drew the quote, it should accurately reflect what my answer is to what you just typed. If you wish to call BaE systems to find out, suit yourself.
That's all I have to say. No hard feelings either.