A new job but an old jerk comes along
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A new job but an old jerk comes along
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Well, after several years working for the same airline you decided to move to a new job because of many good reasons (and one is described in the sequence). Satisfaction! However you and a dozen of mates had the same idea. No problems this is a free world. But in the middle of that group there is a real jackass
(to say the least, but only you and your ex-colleagues know that) going for the interview... obviously hidden as a good character.
You have already got the job, good! The question is: would you say something to your new chief or accept it and keep avoiding that stupid guy forever that can jeopardize the good atmosphere of your new job?
Thanks for your advices.
Well, after several years working for the same airline you decided to move to a new job because of many good reasons (and one is described in the sequence). Satisfaction! However you and a dozen of mates had the same idea. No problems this is a free world. But in the middle of that group there is a real jackass
(to say the least, but only you and your ex-colleagues know that) going for the interview... obviously hidden as a good character.You have already got the job, good! The question is: would you say something to your new chief or accept it and keep avoiding that stupid guy forever that can jeopardize the good atmosphere of your new job?
Thanks for your advices.
Tread very carefully here. If you simply dislike this individual, just stay clear of him. Live and let live. If you have a vendetta, find some way to settle outside of the job. If you have an actual safety concern and you are sure that personal feelings have NO influence on your thinking, then consider bringing it up discreetly and in confidence. Management can deal with you and he in their own chosen way. Might be to dump the both of you if they think you guys are trouble. From their point of view, why would they want someone who has such dislike for someone that they would try to sabotage their job prospects? How well do they know either of you? I say forget about it and move on! Just live your own life and don't worry about others unless they are in YOUR face. In that case, do what you must. You asked a question and I have given you my $.02 worth. Take it for what you think it is worth. Life is too short to waste any of it fighting battles you don't have to. Don't lower your own ethical standards to meet his except in self defense. Besides, if he is that big of a tool, he'll hang himself without your help. Do you really want to be known as a guy who would do something like this to another pilot? Anyway, best of success in the new job and I suspect that you will end up doing the right thing in the end.
Workplace ethics lecture concluded!
Best,
Westhawk
Workplace ethics lecture concluded!
Best,
Westhawk
Let it go. Chances are you will never fly with him as he will always be an FO when you are and a Captain when you are etc. With a large company you may never even know he exists.
Tricky one this. If you decide to come clean the company will take it one of two ways. Either they will be annoyed at what they deem interference in their recruitment process, or (and I consider this is more likely) they will welcome some insider knowledge of an individual.
The last two organizations I have worked for both sought advice from previous colleagues of an interviewee. One, it was highly unlikely that you would get an interview without a mate submitting your CV. They company were reasonably open about this but of course it wasn't official policy. They could justify it by pointing out that as a long haul airline recruiting experienced pilots, an applicants ability was not in question but as a long haul operator, CRM and personalities are a major factor. Would you want to choke the death out of the guy on the approach after having to sit next to him for 9 hours? When I applied for this airline (which required names of people you knew in the company on the application form) two of may mates were called for their opinions!
The second company are less open about their recruitment policy, but still it exists and I have been surreptitiously asked what I tough of an applicant.
It sounds like your company has made a choice with you based on what it has seen. Only you will know whether it will will welcome advice, but by shopping him you will prevent having to work with him and the company would be better off without him. May I suggest that you and your other colleagues make an approach to the company and mention that you know this charactor and would find it hard to work with him. This should set off enough alarm bells to make them re-consider.
The last two organizations I have worked for both sought advice from previous colleagues of an interviewee. One, it was highly unlikely that you would get an interview without a mate submitting your CV. They company were reasonably open about this but of course it wasn't official policy. They could justify it by pointing out that as a long haul airline recruiting experienced pilots, an applicants ability was not in question but as a long haul operator, CRM and personalities are a major factor. Would you want to choke the death out of the guy on the approach after having to sit next to him for 9 hours? When I applied for this airline (which required names of people you knew in the company on the application form) two of may mates were called for their opinions!
The second company are less open about their recruitment policy, but still it exists and I have been surreptitiously asked what I tough of an applicant.
It sounds like your company has made a choice with you based on what it has seen. Only you will know whether it will will welcome advice, but by shopping him you will prevent having to work with him and the company would be better off without him. May I suggest that you and your other colleagues make an approach to the company and mention that you know this charactor and would find it hard to work with him. This should set off enough alarm bells to make them re-consider.
I had this situation at a former Airline I worked for. Knew one of the recruited pilots was a total ***** but that was not up to me to point out and would have certainly reflected badly on me
Besides I knew it would not take him long
to show his true colours, which, predictably he did within days (we were still in groundschool when he started to show his prickly character!)
Within a few months he was physically escorted off the property.
He was highly suited as a single pilot operator!
As they say in the entertainment business, 'he had a face for radio'
Besides I knew it would not take him long
to show his true colours, which, predictably he did within days (we were still in groundschool when he started to show his prickly character!)
Within a few months he was physically escorted off the property.
He was highly suited as a single pilot operator!
As they say in the entertainment business, 'he had a face for radio'
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It has always amazed me how total #*$&%^& bozos can get through the interview process and get hired.
Every airline’s got em.
If your a captain, you can kind of set the tone and grin and bear it....
If your an F/O, and have to deal with this CRM poster child, it can make for a looooong month.
Every airline’s got em.
If your a captain, you can kind of set the tone and grin and bear it....
If your an F/O, and have to deal with this CRM poster child, it can make for a looooong month.
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oh man... if I were in your shoes and the bloke is a complete 
, I would do nothing airline-wise, but I would surely and very seriously chin-up this guy outside working environment, just to set things straight.
I've done it on a previous job where competition between fellow workers was something like a bunch of sharks in a bathtub. The slightest mistake and you were to be crucified on the spot. There was this guy who enjoyed @ss-kissin' very much and he would finger you to the boss on the smallest errors. Had a little chat with this guy, and let's just say he came to work the next day wearing ray-bans. So much for CRM... but the end result was very satisfactory.
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, I would do nothing airline-wise, but I would surely and very seriously chin-up this guy outside working environment, just to set things straight. I've done it on a previous job where competition between fellow workers was something like a bunch of sharks in a bathtub. The slightest mistake and you were to be crucified on the spot. There was this guy who enjoyed @ss-kissin' very much and he would finger you to the boss on the smallest errors. Had a little chat with this guy, and let's just say he came to work the next day wearing ray-bans. So much for CRM... but the end result was very satisfactory.
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If this guy was a bone head at your last airline... chances are he will contiune to be putz at your current airline, unless he had a "Come to Jesus meeting" some where along the way.
Your classroom, simulator, and aircraft instructors will pick up on your colleague pretty quickly. He will be dealt with accordingly.
Bottom line... don't get involved... stay out of it. You don't want to carry any labels for the remainder of your career.
Your classroom, simulator, and aircraft instructors will pick up on your colleague pretty quickly. He will be dealt with accordingly.
Bottom line... don't get involved... stay out of it. You don't want to carry any labels for the remainder of your career.
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Never say something negative about your collegues/managers during an interview! It will fall back on you!
Only exception: THEY ask you about him/her and you have hard evidence.
Dani
Only exception: THEY ask you about him/her and you have hard evidence.
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I agree with Dan W. If this guy is a well known stroker then tell the company. They won't appreciate sitting next to them for nine hours anymore than you will.
I was in the bar with one management pilot who was complaining about the behaviour and attitude of a new bod. When i mentioned that he was an arse at our previous company and was suprised he made it in he rounded on me and said 'well why the hell didn't anyone tell us?' People can act very differently at an interview and it normally all comes out on ground school. By then it's too difficult to get rid of them unless they're incompetent.
If it's a personal issue you have with him then it's a little different. However, if it's going to make it difficult for you to fly together (ie 3/4 crew sectors) then i'd do something about it. You joined the company first, it's just tough on him. That's why aviation is known as such a small industry and should try not to upset people!
I was in the bar with one management pilot who was complaining about the behaviour and attitude of a new bod. When i mentioned that he was an arse at our previous company and was suprised he made it in he rounded on me and said 'well why the hell didn't anyone tell us?' People can act very differently at an interview and it normally all comes out on ground school. By then it's too difficult to get rid of them unless they're incompetent.
If it's a personal issue you have with him then it's a little different. However, if it's going to make it difficult for you to fly together (ie 3/4 crew sectors) then i'd do something about it. You joined the company first, it's just tough on him. That's why aviation is known as such a small industry and should try not to upset people!
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Originally Posted by AFA
he rounded on me and said 'well why the hell didn't anyone tell us?'
And you would have never had your conversation in the bar during the nightstop with your management pilot because they wouldn't have hired you in the first place!
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Dani,
When did i suggest anyone should bring this up in an interview? Only a complete moron would.
High Vibration has insinuated that he already has the job and the 'jackass' is going for an interview.
When did i suggest anyone should bring this up in an interview? Only a complete moron would.
High Vibration has insinuated that he already has the job and the 'jackass' is going for an interview.
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We have a total jackass in our company who is a crm nightmare, everyone agrees. He's been shopped by loads of pilots and yet he's still not been kicked out! When it hits the fan the airline can only blame itself for hiring such a ****!
