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Global Warrior 15th April 2010 09:31


Ezy however still is dragging its arse...according to their website one should 'monitor the flight' before setting off....to a closed for business airport, I imagine?????

Com'on guys, if any of you orange boffins are reading this...

PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT
They are waiting to give their 250 hour wannabees some much needed volvanic ash 1 Bravo departure experience!!!!

cheekychappie 15th April 2010 09:37

Quote:
Ezy however still is dragging its arse...according to their website one should 'monitor the flight' before setting off....to a closed for business airport, I imagine?????

Com'on guys, if any of you orange boffins are reading this...

PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT
They are waiting to give their 250 hour wannabees some much needed volvanic ash 1 Bravo departure experience!!!!


information is being pulled together now and will be out in the domain shortly

Flying Clogger 15th April 2010 09:48

Living the dream...hahahaha
 
@cheekychappie

Excellent, this could mean a nice evening in front of my telly instead of treapsing through LGW to try and get in for work!!


;)

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 15th April 2010 09:51

<<Saw the EY ORD-AUH flight routing south of London. That's rather a long way from a Great Circle track>>

Those flights route over the UK frequently. Remember that aircraft do not necessarily fly Great Circle. Over the Atlantic much depends on weather systems and in Europe they fly laid down air routes.

Ellis Hill 15th April 2010 09:53

Has UK airspace been closed for this long in recent history? Apart from the occasional ATC computer problem I'm struggling to think of an example. Even during those failures there were some movements.

TwoStep 15th April 2010 09:55

September 11, 2001 was the last major airspace closure I guess?

Suzeman 15th April 2010 09:55


Saw the EY ORD-AUH flight routing south of London. That's rather a long way from a Great Circle track - wonder how much longer it's going to take them?

This flight and many other N America - Gulf nonstops frequently pass over the UK en route - dependant on the Ocean tracks/ Jetstream locations.

However, interesting transits of airspace over Central UK before the airspace closed were SAS, Finnair and Aeroflot flights from N America to their home countries. They certainly were off the beaten track

Anyway, taking my anorak off, can anyone remember volcanic ash closing UK airspace before?. I can't and I've got my bus pass, so been around for a few years.

Suzeman

captplaystation 15th April 2010 09:56

I was in France at the time so not sure for UK, but I remember the skies were awfully quiet post 9/11.

UAV689 15th April 2010 09:58

wouldnt it be great with the airspace shut down we can all jump in our spam cans and over fly heathrow..it will give the controllers something to do! I have always wanted to overfly heathrow in a glider!

Massey1Bravo 15th April 2010 09:59

Channel NewsAsia - Iceland volcano blast could last long time expert - channelnewsasia.com


"It is very variable how long these eruptions last - anywhere from a few days to over a year," Magnus Tumi Gudmundsson, a professor of geophysics and civil protection advisor, told AFP. "Judging from the intensity of this one, it could last a long time," he added.
Interesting days (or months) ahead.

Winch-control 15th April 2010 10:02

Now a clever designer/engineer out there can surely produce an EAPS package suitable for all jets, available in pretty quick time? err EAPS = Engine air particle seperator (as fitted to the cabs operating in dusty/dessert conditions):ok:

peter we 15th April 2010 10:04

Lets see how much of a novelty it is if it goes on for months. The economic cost could be very significant.

M609 15th April 2010 10:05

Apparently Ryanair flights have departed the Oslo region VFR at FL190 to get around the zero rate…........

:ugh::ugh:

Sporky 15th April 2010 10:12

Good day for GA nothing in the skies!!

FL370 Officeboy 15th April 2010 10:14


Somebody mentioned earlier about the possibility of regional turboprops using lower levels (outside CAS) to operate their flights.

I guess this would be a perfectly legal flight, but would the airline allow it in practice? Or would it contravene a policy or otherwise be deemed 'too risky' flying outside CAS?
Well flybe have cancelled all their Dash 8 Q400 turboprop flights for today...

jamie2004 15th April 2010 10:15

Any bizzjet pilots wanting to depart/arrive the UK today?

oversteer 15th April 2010 10:16


Apparently Ryanair flights have departed the Oslo region VFR at FL190 to get around the zero rate…........
This seems like a pretty genius idea to me

Can commercial passenger traffic actually [legally] fly VFR ?

EGNT 15th April 2010 10:17

There has been both a biz prop of some sort depart NCL this morning for the MCT, and also one scheduled pax to IOM. Both VFR.

bakerpictures 15th April 2010 10:20

Radio 4 World at One to interview an 'expert' who will say larger eruptions possible from other vents. Worth a listen at 1.00pm.

Ashes to ashes?

seat 0A 15th April 2010 10:21

Just announced that Dutch airspace will be closing this afternoon as well :uhoh:

ACARS 15th April 2010 10:22

What are the model predicting? Doesn't seem to be moving that quick.

Do we know if it will clear our airspace by tomorrow? Otherwise I need a "lend" a cessna 172 and file vfr from BRU to NCL :mad:

I can imagine that most airlines will probably cancel flights tomorrow too at the rate it's movning.

Anyone the number for the Eurostar :ouch:

Tediek 15th April 2010 10:23

EHAM shutting down in steps as of 1300 hours Lt... some flights have been cancelled.

*** ALARM *** 10:59
LUCHTRUIM NL WORDT STAPSGEWIJS GESLOTEN. 10:59
VANAF 1900LT G E E N LUCHTVERKEER MEER MOGELIJK. 10:59
DIVERSE CONTINGENCYPLANNEN ZIJN REEDS OPGESTART. 11:00

KiloMikePapa 15th April 2010 10:25

Belgian airspace will be closed as well
 
It was just annouced that Belgian airspace will be gradually closed this afternoon (complete closure probably from 16:00 local time on).

This event might restore some of the humility we often lack vis-a-vis to Mother Nature :(

Have a nice sunset!

HeathrowAirport 15th April 2010 10:26

Only two flight's from EGNM today, one filed FL240, the later FL370. (RYR)

Just a question is this Ash Cloud visible to those on the ground?

Jetjock330 15th April 2010 10:27


Saw the EY ORD-AUH flight routing south of London. That's rather a long way from a Great Circle track - wonder how much longer it's going to take them?
This is an absolute normal routing which utilities the track system that is favorable eastbound, however, the EY151 AUH-ORD (14:43), westbound flight today, is routing south of London today on a random track due to the volcanic ash.

AUH-ORD today Ground distance 6829nm
Air Distance 6861nm (due little headwind average throughout flight being -1 kt)
Great Circle track 6315nm

peter we 15th April 2010 10:27

"Do we know if it will clear our airspace by tomorrow? "
Its going to be several days at least according to the weather chart posted earlier. Probably a week, but it depends on the weather forecast and you know how unreliable that can be. Best hope is that it gets blown west and disrupts NA instead...
It could of course eventually encircle the entire northern hemisphere

alpouvar 15th April 2010 10:31

Sky reporting all BA flights from LHR cancelled until tomorrow morning...

Tediek 15th April 2010 10:39

Germany is next.

Squawk_ident 15th April 2010 10:41

NAT westbound tracks 15-04-10
 
https://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/PUB...2010_04_15.PNG

Totally_Bananas 15th April 2010 10:42

Good video on YouTube of Captain Eric Moody's 747;


YouTube - air crash investigation (english): falling from the sky part1

IB4138 15th April 2010 10:47

Extra police draughted into Malaga airport as quite a few pax are "kicking off" at airline and airport staff.

Mind you, some airlines have not helped the situation with confused information on cancelations. Some flights have been "off" then "on" then "off" again.

Dairyground 15th April 2010 10:49


Just a question is this Ash Cloud visible to those on the ground?
Looking north from the southern fringes of Greater Manchester, the blue of the clear sky does not seem quite as brilliant as usual, and the few, medium-height, clouds that are visible seem to have a slightly pink or beige tinge. The effect is not great, so it could all be in my imagination - or my window might need cleaning.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 15th April 2010 10:50

<<Information Just Received That All London Sectors Will Not
Be Available To Ifr Traffic From 1100 Utc Until 1800 Utc>>

Interesting... It's now 10:48Z and Heathrow is still busy with inbounds. No way they're going to be cleared by 11:00.

Suzeman 15th April 2010 10:57

Interesting animation here if it works


EUMETSAT IPPS animation - Meteosat 0 degree Dust Western Europe

ChalfontFlyer 15th April 2010 11:04

Currently showing over the Bristol Channel on flightradar24.com is an Icelandair 757 flight en-route KEF to AMS. Thought all airspace in Iceland has been closed for some hours?

Tediek 15th April 2010 11:08

Eurocontrol advises now that NL airspace can stay open..

Wycombe 15th April 2010 11:10

Radarvirtuel.com has made very interesting viewing this morning over the UK!

Gulf4uk 15th April 2010 11:16

Farnborough continued with arrivals and departures right up to 1200 local
1100Z Departure at 1159 N727DL Saab-fairchild 340A

TONY

22 Degree Halo 15th April 2010 11:17

Think yourself lucky it wasn't ash cloud from Katla :ooh:

R44-pilot 15th April 2010 11:21

So now the airspace is officially closed, are VFR flights no permitted either?


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