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russelldav 24th Feb 2022 04:22

Ukraine and associated airspace
 
Was 44m from landing when the cruise and ballistic missiles started to strike. Understandable has diverted. Hope all onboard safe, we live in crazy times!
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a193d7275.jpeg

TCTC 24th Feb 2022 04:48

Ukraine is under attack
 
It seems that Ukraine is under military attack in several parts of the country. For example: Explosions can be heard in Kiev.

fdr 24th Feb 2022 05:36

MARS Attacks Oops. Correction, Russia Atatcks
 
Putin's forces just attacked Ukraine in a borad offensive.

My company just announced the following company actions
  1. No operation is permitted in or over Russian territory until no earlier than 24 FEB 2032.
  2. No Russian person, or passport holder shall be carried on a company aircraft until 24 FEB 2032.
  3. No Russian official or diplomat may be carried on a MEDEVAC anywhere in the world until 24 FEB 2052.
Suffice it to say, this may not be an earthquake to the Kremlin, or Putin or his lapdog Trump and Pompeo, but the next item is of interest

The company shall not assist or accept any operation or tasking or any commercial contact with any country that does not cease commercial activities with Russian due to their naked and illegal aggression of a neighboring country. Such ban on 3rd party countries shall remain in force until 24 FEB 2052.

I think my boss is a bit miffed with the evil empire.

Also, the ban includes BELARUS, BELARUS passport holders, and any country dealing with BELARUS.


It may be an army of 1, but there are a lot of 1's out there.

dr dre 24th Feb 2022 07:02

According to US Senator Marco Rubio Russian Airborne troops are in control of Kiev Airport.

Spunky Monkey 24th Feb 2022 07:37

But this shows that people will do more that our governments will do.

eu01 24th Feb 2022 07:38

Well, I would expect a total ban on any Russian aircraft to enter any Western airspace. In my opinion, it would be also wise to revoke any visas for Russian citizens to enter Western countries. Undoubtedly this is a war against all Western values.

Dont worry 24th Feb 2022 08:05

Completely agree with you guys.
Dont know why the EU didnt come up with this yet. Cancellation of all issued Schengen Visa to Russians, Cancellation of all bought EU Passports and give the ****ers 3-4 days to leave the EU to go home to their so beloved country.
I just remaind myself how badly they laughed at us during the annection of Crinmea. I had a flight to Strassbourg with 3 guys from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. On the way to Strassbourg they where silent and stressed and on the way back they had tons of Vodga and kind of peed and shit on our European Management.
As long as we have anatomic wonders (they can stand upright without having a spine) as politicians this will continue to go on.
Unfortunately none of us can really do anything. Therefore we will be entiteld to watch and listen.
UKRAINE KEEP YOUR HEAD UP

Dont worry 24th Feb 2022 08:51


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11189180)
Putin's forces just attacked Ukraine in a borad offensive.

My company just announced the following company actions
  1. No operation is permitted in or over Russian territory until no earlier than 24 FEB 2032.
  2. No Russian person, or passport holder shall be carried on a company aircraft until 24 FEB 2032.
  3. No Russian official or diplomat may be carried on a MEDEVAC anywhere in the world until 24 FEB 2052.
Suffice it to say, this may not be an earthquake to the Kremlin, or Putin or his lapdog Trump and Pompeo, but the next item is of interest

The company shall not assist or accept any operation or tasking or any commercial contact with any country that does not cease commercial activities with Russian due to their naked and illegal aggression of a neighboring country. Such ban on 3rd party countries shall remain in force until 24 FEB 2052.

I think my boss is a bit miffed with the evil empire.

Also, the ban includes BELARUS, BELARUS passport holders, and any country dealing with BELARUS.


It may be an army of 1, but there are a lot of 1's out there.

fdr Which company? I think I like to apply for a job. Great decision if this is true. Best would be if Vista Jet would announce something like this.

avlerx 24th Feb 2022 09:27

Flight Radar appears to have been switched off.

The AvgasDinosaur 24th Feb 2022 09:34

Time to ban any and all RA/ RF owned or registered aircraft flights and over flights. Time to pull the insurance of all the flag of convenience leased fleet aircraft used by Russian carriers.
IMHO

eu01 24th Feb 2022 09:36


Originally Posted by avlerx (Post 11189275)
Flight Radar appears to have been switched off.

They inform: "We are still working hard on increasing the capacity, but the very big international interest generate 10-20 times higher traffic than normally, which is hard to handle." The last screen I saw: Ukrainian airspace totally empty. I would be happy to see no Russian aircraft over Europe, but that's not the case. Swift decisions, please!

biscuit74 24th Feb 2022 10:24

Flight Radar was working up till 30 minutes ago - aseu01 says , likely they are having trouble with interest levels.

Ukraine airspace was empty, as eu01 said, with Global Hawks running observation lines from various places nearby, also Rivet Joint a/c over friendly territory presumably observing and analysing. I hope they stay safe.

It is as others have said, clearly time to restrict all 'previously normal' Russian international activities to make the strongest possible point, No time to dither, take action. Sadly, the UK will almost certainly dither. bluster and delay. 'Action this day' - in the words of a previous, real, leader is what is needed .

Noxegon 24th Feb 2022 10:38


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11189180)
No operation is permitted in or over Russian territory until no earlier than 24 FEB 2032.

Ten years?

drichard 24th Feb 2022 10:44

The App seems to be working (albeit slowly), I do wonder if there is a blackout/disruption to coverage over B & U due to land based transceivers not working.

Plenty of expensive military stuff from NATO up at the moment: I'm seeing: RQ-4D, E-8C, F-16CM amongst others

Keep safe everyone

WillowRun 6-3 24th Feb 2022 17:20

Safety Bulletin, IFALPA
 
IFALPA Safety Bulletin - with attachment from ICAO European and North Atlantic Regional Office. Links also to EASA bulletin and (earlier) press release from IFALPA.

22sab05-closure-of-airspace-in-moldova-ukraine-and-part-of-rostov-fir-of-the-russian-federation.pdf (ifalpa.org)


Operations in Flight Information Regions: FIR LVIV (UKLV), FIR KYIV (UKBV), UIR KYIV (UKBU), FIR DNIPROPETROVSK (UKDV), FIR SIMFEROPOL (UKFV), FIR ODESA (UKOV), FIR CHISINAU (LUUU), FIR MOSCOW (UUWW), ROSTOV-NA-DONU (URRV) and FIR MINSK (UMMV) | EASA (europa.eu)


22prl01-int-pilot-orgs-on-tensions-in-eastern-europe.pdf (ifalpa.org)

sycamore 24th Feb 2022 18:07

I see BAW9 is over Russia,south of Moscow...why...?
UK Govmnt should ask Bermuda to withdraw all Russian operated aircraft on VP/VQ- registrations immediately..

DuncanDoenitz 24th Feb 2022 19:19


Originally Posted by Noxegon (Post 11189324)
Ten years?

I think that's the point; some might think it a little conciliatory.


ATC Watcher 24th Feb 2022 21:35


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 11189656)
I see BAW9 is over Russia,south of Moscow...why...?
UK Govmnt should ask Bermuda to withdraw all Russian operated aircraft on VP/VQ- registrations immediately..

Be careful what you wish for, in today's global economy sanctions are double edge swords, Lot of businesses in the West are going to go broke as a result . Russia is not North Korea.

Herod 24th Feb 2022 22:01


Be careful what you wish for, in today's global economy sanctions are double edge swords, Lot of businesses in the West are going to go broke as a result . Russia is not North Korea.
Probably true, but then again, what is the price of defending freedom?

eu01 25th Feb 2022 06:19

All Aeroflot flights to the United Kingdom have been canceled for now. I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson, but his decision was right and well timed, the Russian carrier is banned there. Now... what about the rest of the world? Nobody wants to take any decisive steps in this regard?


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