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And Flightradar claims Aeroflot 124 is diverting back to Moscow. Although not at all clear how it will get there with all the Nordic airspace also closed

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Originally Posted by voyageur9 (Post 11191657)

And Flightradar claims Aeroflot 124 is diverting back to Moscow. Although not at all clear how it will get there with all the Nordic airspace also closed

Countries are not going to let aircraft crash. Planes in the air will be allowed back home. Just no new flights plans will be allowed from now.

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Originally Posted by ex-EGLL (Post 11191598)

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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever

Canada has also just announced an airspace ban for Russian aircraft

Would that include the Ocean, or is that "ICAO protected"?

"News release February 27, 2022 Ottawa"
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"The Government of Canada is prohibiting the operation of Russian-owned, chartered or operated aircraft in Canadian airspace, including in the airspace above Canada’s territorial waters."
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Previously in articles about airspace closures, there were comments about exceptions to be made for diplomatic missions and the like. What I am reading presently makes no mention of exceptions.

Closing airspace in peace time is one thing. Enforcing closure during a war where Russia is the aggressor is something else again. Someone lay out for me the probable sequence of escalations in the event of an intrusion ...

Now then, financial sanctions bear the prospect of being a different matter altogether:
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Russia central bank urges calm amid cash run fears
By Dearbail Jordan
BBC News 2022.02.27

Russia's central bank said that customers of sanctioned banks would be unable to use their bank cards outside Russia. It also said it will be "impossible" to use cards issued by sanctioned banks for Google Pay or Apple Pay.

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"банковская карта отклонена !"

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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11191678)

Countries are not going to let aircraft crash. Planes in the air will be allowed back home. Just no new flights plans will be allowed from now.

I understand. But what happens to Aeroflot flights that landed today in Cancun and Havana. Are they stuck there? Or do they get a pass back to Moscow.

Will Sleepy Joe ban all Russian traffic as well? Canada has!

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Originally Posted by EddyCurr (Post 11191684)

Someone lay out for me the probable sequence of escalations in the event of an intrusion ...

No Russian civilian aircraft will intentionally enter closed airspace, so the question is academic.

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Originally Posted by voyageur9 (Post 11191686)

I understand. But what happens to Aeroflot flights that landed today in Cancun and Havana. Are they stuck there? Or do they get a pass back to Moscow.

Also what about Russian nationals stuck overseas? Will repatriation be allowed or will they have to get home via none closed airspace routes?

At least whilst abroad they will be able to see more of the true reasons for their sanctions rather than putin controlled 'news' at home.

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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22 (Post 11191708)

abroad they will be able to see more of the true reasons for their sanctions rather than putin controlled 'news' at home.

...with their credit cards out of use :ok: a pure pleasure.

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Originally Posted by voyageur9 (Post 11191686)

I understand. But what happens to Aeroflot flights that landed today in Cancun and Havana. Are they stuck there? Or do they get a pass back to Moscow.

If they leave without pax they should be able to make a route back into Russian airspace without any incursions into closed airspace.

As for those Russian citizens stranded. They can make their own way to
as close as possible and then go
overland?

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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11191756)

If they leave without pax they should be able to make a route back into Russian airspace without any incursions into closed airspace.

They can easily make it back even with pax taking the long route via North Africa/ME with a technical stop somewhere.

It's interesting to observe the AFL flights between KGD/Kaliningrad and Russia on FR24. Because of the different bans, they can't fly in the forbiden FIRs and so they fly ON the FIRs limits until they reach the good Russian airspace. EL AL does exactly the same by flying on the FIR boundary between Egypt and Saudi Arabia when they go to the East.

Both AFL157 Punta Cana to SVO and AFL111 MIA-SVO are in the air. Both have filed flight plans that enter Canadian airspace. Both flights could (depending on fuel loaded) avoid Canadian airspace -- but not EU and Nordic.

It will be interesting to see if "with immediate effect" actually means AFL flights get a one-way free pass back to Putinland

I see Aeroflot overflying Turkey. As a NATO member I would like to see the Turks offer the same hospitality to all Russian owned/operated aircraft as the rest of NATO. Ground their bloody fleet so they can only fly domestic routes until the spares inventory runs out.

To me it would make sense that "repatriation" flights are exempt.

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Originally Posted by andrasz (Post 11191765)

They can easily make it back even with pax taking the long route via North Africa/ME with a technical stop somewhere.

If I was the airline I would not want to be planning any technical stops right now. More than likely your plane is gone for good no matter if you think it’s a friendly country. Right now I don’t think Russia has any friends.

Dump the passengers and get the aircraft back. You can pay to get the pax back in alternative carriers.

I think the way this is shaping up anything confiscated is never going to be returned. Houses, yachts, cars, planes…

As it should be, all proceeds sent to Ukraine for reparations.

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Originally Posted by voyageur9 (Post 11191820)

Looks like AFL111 is being let through by the Canadians. So the NOTAM from 16.41UTC today was basically pointless. Well done!!

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Originally Posted by RHagrid (Post 11191843)

Looks like AFL111 is being let through by the Canadians. So the NOTAM from 16.41UTC today was basically pointless. Well done!!

That same NOTAM also had this:

THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY AIRCRAFT FLYING IN ACCORDANCE WITH PERMISSION FROM CANADA'S MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT. AFFECTED AIRCRAFT WISHING TO OBTAIN AN AUTHORIZATION OR CLEARANCE INTO THE ABOVE-MENTIONED AIRSPACE MAY APPLY TO THE MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT AT 1-877-992-6853 OR 1-613-992-6853. 27 FEB 16:41 2022 UNTIL 25 MAY 16:00 2022 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 27 FEB 16:41 2022

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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11191842)

The UN announced last week, 2 days before PUTINIA invaded a sovereign neighbor that the 51 Billion reparations for the 1990 Iraq invasion of Kuwait had been paid back. I would think that the freezing of PUTINIA government-owned banks, including those that are essentially dedicated to supporting his military, will make the reparations faster this time round. Apparently the former KGB emperor of the country of organized crime and oligarchs that have had a rapacious appetite to plunder the natural resources of the Rodina didn't listen to the news on that day; he was too busy lying to the rest of the world.
Have little sympathy for the oligarchs wealth being confiscated, and first up being applied to compensate their victims in Ukraine, and the balance being put towards the recovery of Ukraine from the numb skull actions of Putin. The oligarchs have made hay by empowering Putin, they are the problem as much as he is.
Organised crime from the former USSR is a major threat to the rest of the world, and nothing has been done worth a damn to check that. It is an issue in the USA, and in UK, and within Europe. This is a great time to shut them down, and kick their sorry butts out to the 12 mile limit off Kamchatka, and give them oars. The greatest export from Russia has been AK74's and organised crime. Putin is the peak of the criminal syndicate that Russia has become.
Ordinarily, I would have great sympathy for the populace of Russia that are caught outside of their state as borders close, ordinarily. Until their crime boss, Putin elevated nuclear alert status. After that, they can look after themselves. Just like those families in Ukraine that have been impacted by their government that they have passively sat by as it devolved into a crime state.

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Originally Posted by RHagrid (Post 11191843)

Looks like AFL111 is being let through by the Canadians. So the NOTAM from 16.41UTC today was basically pointless. Well done!!

Well, AFL111 made it through as you said but AFL157 (PUJ - SV0) and AFL159 (CUN-SVO) both seem to have taken a somewhat circuitous along the US Canadian border before turning to a more northerly heading when east of Canadian Domestic Airspace

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Originally Posted by ex-EGLL (Post 11191918)

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...47079bf0d6f4e2

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“We are aware that Aeroflot flight 111 violated the prohibition put in place earlier today on Russian flights using Canadian airspace. We are launching a review of the conduct of Aeroflot and the independent air navigation service provider, NAVCAN, leading up to this violation. We will not hesitate to take appropriate enforcement action and other measures to prevent future violations,” Transport Canada said Sunday