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Originally Posted by Saulman
(Post 10770925)
MOL has been extremely accurate in everything he has said to press. I sincerely hope he follows through on court action.
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Originally Posted by Luke258
(Post 10775005)
Going to court for what exactly? O'Leary and his buddy Eddie are bullies, their memos are inaccurate and have the Sole purpose of creating an "us vs them" mood. He is a big whiner about how unfair everything is. who exloited workers, airports and States? It was Ryanair. How about they go to the irish government and ask for help? Or the maltese or the polish?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airline-rescue |
Originally Posted by Saulman
(Post 10775153)
Have I touched a nerve? Why should they, they’ve no need to.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...airline-rescue |
Originally Posted by Luke258
(Post 10775163)
But seems to me as if they already tried to get some government loans but didn't get any. Otherwise they wouldn't storm out to the media whining how unfair everything is. I call that Karma.
Dear members of the Federal Government and the social partners, The corona virus poses immense challenges for all of us. The measures to curb almost bring public and thus economic life in Austria to a standstill. Many companies struggle to survive in these times and with these companies also their employees and their families. Our government is determined in the fight against the virus and supports it with a 38 billion euro package. Short-time work is an essential tool here: government, companies and employees all work together to get through the crisis in order to secure companies, jobs and pay. Everyone makes their contribution. But there are a few resourceful companies that are stealing their shared responsibility and picking out the raisins. It is such companies that cry out for support from taxpayers' money and the social partners during the crisis, but otherwise don't care about the common rules of the game. It is such companies that hide and tax their profits abroad in good times and now claim Austrian taxpayers' money. They are companies that kick natural things like law, social partnership and respectful use of feet by doing social dumping in our country and outsourcing employees to personnel leasing companies. Such companies are often even proud of this. It is companies such as Ryanair and their Austrian subsidiary Laudamotion that have chosen such “customs” as their corporate philosophy. And even in times as difficult as this, they don't dream of rethinking their attitudes. Even in times of crisis, they try to capitalize on the backs of employees and ultimately all Austrian taxpayers. In an almost ridiculous game of cat and mouse, the management of Laudamotion tries to gain access to short-time work. Employee rights, collective agreements, works councils and a union do not count for this management. But everyone should now agree to the short-time work for the employees? Otherwise, the weakest links in the chain, the company's already battered employees, would have to pay the bill and take the termination home with them. The government, social partners and all of us as Austrian taxpayers are called on to stop tolerating such goings-on. It cannot be accepted that a few free-riders earn a golden nose at the expense of the general public. It is not acceptable that parasitic entrepreneurship is worthwhile by choosing which rules apply and which do not. Ryanair and Laudamotion must also abide by applicable rights! In the crisis, Lauda employees are to be helped with short-time corona work. But there must be very clear requirements. And one of them must be that Laudamotion must accept the rules of our society that it now desires to help, by respecting the rights and rules of the social partnership, by its managers now behaving like adults and by their employees like Treat people. Awaiting for your response and best regards Ralph Schönfelder Chairman of the Works Council Eurowings Europe Rainer Stratberger Chairman of the Works Council of Austrian Airlines Bord Harald Kleedorfer Chairman of the Works Council Level Europe |
Just a proof that most companies are getting afraid of RYR, knowing very well it is a financially healthy company.
Like i said before, most countries will put heir protectionistic registers open against RYR, especially Germany. |
Originally Posted by dboy
(Post 10775457)
Just a proof that most companies are getting afraid of RYR, knowing very well it is a financially healthy company.
Like i said before, most countries will put heir protectionistic registers open against RYR, especially Germany. In the end countries want to save Airlines that pay taxes in the respective countries, not some airline that sucks out money, treats its workforce like ****, gets in trouble constantly with the law (I could continue the list here...). And again, Ryanair is free to request money from Ireland. Why don't they? Even Ezy gets state aid. |
Originally Posted by Luke258
(Post 10775470)
. And again, Ryanair is free to request money from Ireland. Why don't they?
Why putting the protect registers open? It is all about the amount of job losses countries could face and they wanna see their paid tax aid money back. Europe, one? My ass, it never was and will never be. |
Originally Posted by dboy
(Post 10775478)
Simply because they dont need it,yet!
Ryanair is a very big company headquartered in a very small and not particularly rich country. The total overspend for CoVid19 in Ireland so far is less than some of the major countries in Europe have spent on each of their airlines alone. The most Ryanair can hope for is some political expressions of support in sample lobby the EU about not forcing immediate cash refunds for now. |
Originally Posted by dboy
(Post 10775478)
Simply because they dont need it,yet!
Why putting the protect registers open? It is all about the amount of job losses countries could face and they wanna see their paid tax aid money back. Europe, one? My ass, it never was and will never be. This has by the way nothing to do with protectionism, it is simply as you say about preventing job losses due to political decisions. And since you complain about Europe: Ryanair was benefitting by european "legislation" for quite some time now, let's not forget about that. |
Originally Posted by Luke258
(Post 10775488)
Neither does Lufthansa. But since these are unprecedented times, they applied for government aid. Just like all the major carriers. Then there's Ryanair standing alone complaining.
This has by the way nothing to do with protectionism, it is simply as you say about preventing job losses due to political decisions. And since you complain about Europe: Ryanair was benefitting by european "legislation" for quite some time now, let's not forget about that. Anyway, Ryanair don’t need state aid currently. Why take money with high interest rates to be repaid when you don’t need to have it in the first place. The reality is the out going’s are relatively small, due to the fact most EU governments are covering most of their employees wages. There seems to be a number of people from outside who want to bury their head in the sand in regards to Ryanair and just repeat to themselves Ryanair are bad, as that’s what Dave told me 15 years ago. Has it slipped through everyone’s radar Ryanair have already lodged their application into the European Court on Sweden. If that’s successful, a precedent is created and soon it’ll be Frances Austria’s and Germany’s turn. On Ireland being a relatively poor country? I think that sums up your IQ. Where is Google Apple and Mircosoft based again. In terms of GDP Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on this planet. Simon Convery previously mentioned Ryanair to one of the Islands greatest success stories. I’m quite confident the Irish government would back the Harp if it needed it, which it doesn’t. |
Originally Posted by Hawker400
(Post 10771236)
But they did. Myself and everyone in both Ryanair and sister airlines have been let go (varies at what stage of training you were in but assume anyone that haven't completed the line check) with training fees + bonds completely written off, could be a gesture of goodwill but also saving themselves from the legal hassle of not offering work as there is none available (one of the clauses of the bond agreement).
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Originally Posted by Saulman
(Post 10775501)
Where is Google Apple and Mircosoft based again. In terms of GDP Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on this planet.
[...] Ryanair to one of the Islands greatest success stories. Destroying a whole industry in the process, as the pendulum now swings backwards from the CEE with airlines that do not pay social contributions in the usual manner, giving them around 30% cost advantage from what already is a lower cost base. Pity everyone in the middle. |
Ireland tax avoidance
And you don't think the English, French, Luxembourgois et al aren't involved in "legal" tax avoidance and money laundering? Smell the jet fuel mon ami then add flogging arms and other A moral acts.
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I have no opinion on legal tax avoidance. When I could, did the same.
Merely an observation, that large and megasuccessful corporations being HQ'd in Eire is not a sign of indigenous business excellence, but more a result from a tilted playing field. If Greece set their employers' social security contributions at 3%, there would be a lot of boxes shipping within 6 months to a seaside that is both green and warm. The second part, about the "old west" getting crushed in-between two rocks due to the East adopting - I wish to be wrong, actually. Because if I am not, the forces in motion are larger than any workers' union or even a single nation will be able to withstand. Maybe, hopefully maybe, the UK might yet stop the tide through post-Brexit opportunities. That is, if instead of smelling the jet fuel of their bleeding airlines (as we all do, globally) they start smelling the money and focus on saving the prospects of their industry by enforcing a level legal-economic ground at least withing their own borders. |
Partial restart 1 July subject to restrictions being lifted.
TIMES on line amongst others reporting |
Having watched Willie Walsh in front of the parliamentary committee yesterday and Michael O Leary talking to Peers Morgan this morning I know who I would rather work for and travel with.
Willie dodged many of the questions as one would expect and it appeared that some of his answers were not truthful judging by my recent experience. O Leary was to the point and sold his product well..- iirc 40% of his flights in July, masks, temperature testing and refusal to travel. The empty middle seat thing was from EasyJet and as Aerlingus (Willie’s old and new airline) demonstrated on recent flights Is a non starter. |
I have always liked MoL. He says it like it is. You don't like it you leave. WW untrustworthy at IAG. Easyjet unstable wirh majority shareholder offering whistleblowers millions to dish out the dirt. I know who l would work for given the choice.
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Really? No thanks!
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Horses for courses. Some people like it the RYR way, others prefer the IAG way, many support neither. But it's hard to deny that MOL speaks facts and figures and tends to be quantitative rather than anecdotal in what he says. Which can't be said of many other important people.
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Originally Posted by PilotLZ
(Post 10780589)
Horses for courses. Some people like it the RYR way, others prefer the IAG way, many support neither. But it's hard to deny that MOL speaks facts and figures and tends to be quantitative rather than anecdotal in what he says. Which can't be said of many other important people.
It's actually quite easy to deny that MOL speaks facts. How about this quote: "I would challenge any pilot to explain how this is either a difficult job, or how it is they are overworked or how anybody who by law cannot fly more than 18 hours a week could possibly be suffering from fatigue" |
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