GS-Alpha
I fear there may be some substance to this assessment. After 9/11 opportunism ruled big time in negotiations. No crisis is too big or small to be lost as an opportunity to cut costs. |
We’ve had the company proposal through from Balpa, utterly opportunistic smash and grab raid on Ts and Cs which has very little (read nothing) to do with Covid-19 (in much the same fashion as easyJet).
Redundancies split evenly between Captains and FOs. Won’t spill the requested figure precisely suffice to say it’s in four figures. |
around 1200
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Cast your minds back to post 9/11 and then 2008 - BA claim the end of the aviation world is nigh, take pay cuts and decimate T&Cs to 'save the company' - you know what happened thereafter. The 'best' became just another airline on 900hrs per annum, the most coveted roster system trashed, pension scheme destroyed - all in the name of 'saving the company'. The problem for management is, they have pared you to the bone (with your full and naive support) that there's little left to cut.
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You can all read it here: https://gofile.io/?c=LZkPqV
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It’s a complete land grab - using the crisis as an opportunity to tear up everything that made BA worth working for.
If they get their way, seniority is dead as is any kind of stable rostering system. The “efficiencies” I’m sure mean working long haul to EASA limits, and what on earth do absence management and grievance procedures have to do with redundancy. At least when I worked for O’Leary he had the good grace to tell you his mission was to ^@%! you! |
judge11
Why don’t you crawl back in the hole you came from? 1200 pilot colleagues are staring down the hole and you’re gloating about their naivety? |
Jwscud
Don't forget Scope agreement thrown in the bin too. |
Originally Posted by TheAirMission
(Post 10767651)
You can all read it here: https://gofile.io/?c=LZkPqV
One wonders how forcing a new policy on performance and absence management will save British Airways ? Even Frank Lorenzo would be raising an appreciative eyebrow at that detail. Unfortunately that Sky News article above seems to be prescient. I’m sorry to see the pain that British Airways pilots and employees are facing. Hopefully BALPA is up to the task. I wish you all the best, and a hearty C you next time to BA management. |
And remember this document contains the signature of AB. Will the last person in the room who was still labouring under the illusion that he’s one of the “good guys” please turn out the lights?
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Was logging on to say this very thing.
I'm not sure where we go from here. At this point, it seems unlikely that I'll ever see the pointy end of a jet again. Good luck to us all, in BA and across the industry. |
Reads like a wish list of everything BA management has been itching to do for years. Never waste a good crisis!
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That letter is disgusting. I hope BALPA can offer a strategy, though the bargaining position, unfortunately, is weak.
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The attitude of BA management is so reprehensible that I imagine virtually all of their pilots would love nothing more than to take VR and move to a better one which actually has a modicum of humanity.
Oh hang on, nobody is hiring. This is a hard call. Do you live by your principles or put food on the table? I have wife and 3 kids relying on me. If I worked for such a callous and cut-throat company I would rant and rave...then swallow my pride, crack on, and pay the bills. I have many friends at BA (and also Virgin) and every single one is a top guy, great pilot and deserves so much more than management are prepared to give. At least BA management have been openly exposed for what they are. I would love to see the unions gave a field-day with this letter, but I bet BA have already got their guns loaded and aimed. |
Originally Posted by RHS
(Post 10767685)
Why don’t you crawl back in the hole you came from? 1200 pilot colleagues are staring down the hole and you’re gloating about their naivety?
Their naivety was in swallowing hook, line and sinker, BA management's sob-stories over the past almost 2 decades, sob-stories that have been proven to be completely groundless and yet they were believed leading to the erosion of what, at the time, were some of the most envied T&C's in the industry. There's a massive crunch coming but if you don't learn from past mistakes..............you know the rest. Oh,and don't be so rude. |
Originally Posted by RHS
(Post 10767685)
Why don’t you crawl back in the hole you came from? 1200 pilot colleagues are staring down the hole and you’re gloating about their naivety?
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Originally Posted by Gypsy
(Post 10767069)
So what are IAG doing at Iberia and Vuelling?
Are Iberia, Iberia Express, Vueling, Level, Air Europa, Aer Lingus seemingly immune from similar action? :hmm: |
Originally Posted by RexBanner
(Post 10767706)
And remember this document contains the signature of AB. Will the last person in the room who was still labouring under the illusion that he’s one of the “good guys” please turn out the lights?
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I have apologised to judge privately. I was out of line, emotions are running a little high tonight as I’m sure they are for many of us.
stay safe all, and best of luck to everyone. |
I cannot see Vueling escaping the same sword. Spain is financially on its knees and tourism won't come back soon. Iberia have already been pared to the bone in the recent past but even they won't survive the same sword in their current status.
I believe it only a matter of time for similar announcements from the Iberian Peninsula. |
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