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Smoking next to an aircraft being refuelled.
There are times my fellow travellers leave me speechless...
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/20/idiot...lled-10778001/ |
Can’t smoke within 8 hours of flying, can’t drink within 50 m of an aircraft |
Not totally the same, but I remember being able to smoke on the ground (inside the delayed aircraft) on Air India in the 90's. Food was good too.
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Smoking and fueling in progress!
Dude!
If I had cent for every time I have stopped someone smoking on the tarmac!!! I have uplifted some 25 million liters Jet A1 and had my first fuel leak the other day. 2 or at the most 3 liters. Big circus. No smokers, No CNN. Lokelihood of caboom is small, just compare with any gas station, which has more spills and plenty of smokers. The cigarettes is not dangerous , the ignorant selfish tosser behind it is. Some people love to challenge authority these days. |
Back in my racing days, I watched - more than once - (from a discrete distance) as others poured racing gasoline into their fuel tank while smoking - once even saw the ash fall off the cigarette and land in the fuel as it was being poured :eek:.
As a certain American comedian likes to say 'you can't fix stupid' :( |
If jetfuel was as explosive as the interviewed 'survivors' seem to believe, i would never be in the vicinity of an aircraft.
Was it dangerous? No, not at all, but it is illegal... |
Originally Posted by The Bartender
(Post 10574730)
If jetfuel was as explosive as the interviewed 'survivors' seem to believe, i would never be in the vicinity of an aircraft.
Was it dangerous? No, not at all, but it is illegal... |
Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
(Post 10574734)
Exactly. Unless it's aerosolized or the ambient temp is really high, you could extinguish burning cigarettes (or matches) in Jet A1 all day, without incident (except for contaminating the fuel). But don't do that, of course.
The folks at SeaTac airport tried a version of that experiment for you. |
.[/QUOTE] Originally Posted by The Bartender https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif If jetfuel was as explosive as the interviewed 'survivors' seem to believe, i would never be in the vicinity of an aircraft. Was it dangerous? No, not at all, but it is illegal... Exactly. Unless it's aerosolized or the ambient temp is really high, you could extinguish burning cigarettes (or matches) in Jet A1 all day, without incident (except for contaminating the fuel). But don't do that, of course. .[/QUOTE] I remember staging through an Italian airforce base in Bari many moons ago, we had arranged to be refuelled and I nipped over to see the Italian guys who were refuelling their G91’s to try to get ours done pdq. Found the guy on the fuel hose with a fag in the corner of his mouth, he must have seen me recoil in fright because when he finished topping off the tank he gave me a toothless grin and put his fag out by dipping it in the overflowing tank. So because no Big Bang occurred, I can confirm the above quote is true, but my nerves have never been the same since! |
Originally Posted by Water pilot
(Post 10574779)
Perhaps not exactly correct...
The folks at SeaTac airport tried a version of that experiment for you. Let me see . . . |
Many years ago I was idling at a maintenance hangar and a mechanic was working on a Cessna 310 fuel drain with a lit cigarette in his mouth. He stuck his screwdriver into the drain and whatever he did caused the fuel - avgas- to come gushing out. So he calmly dropped the cigarette into the avgas on the ground and it extinguished. This was at an ambient temperature of beach clothing magnitude. No BS, I saw it with my own eyes.
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How do you tell a captain, that's Flown the Hump in Burma, not to smoke on a DC3 flight deck? You wouldn't dare! Condensation collector trough filled with dog-ends and a fag lit while turning base at Ostend. Yes, turning base. Suck, suck suck suck - long glowing core of fire - stub stub stub - pat sparks on lap - flare - peep of tyres.
I can still smell the aroma of petrol, see the NO SMOKING placard and the collapse of the pile of previous dog-ends cascading out of the trough. Kuh! Tell the kids of today . . . |
And I knew a guy who demonstrated to his work crew that you can remove the bright yellow staining of sodium iso-butyl xanthate from your hands by washing them in cyanide solution.
As with the cigarette in gasoline example, it works but that doesn't make it a good idea. |
If you want the exciting bit, 1:32 onwards.
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Passenger Sarah Beecroft, 43, said a member of the aviation team ran over to him ‘grabbed the cigarette out of his hand and stubbed it out’. She said: ‘It was outrageous, everyone was going crazy – we could’ve died. It doesn’t bear to think what could’ve happened. It was just an act of stupidity. As it says on top of this webpage: NEWS... BUT NOT AS YOU KNOW IT |
The late, great Alan Bodger, General Manager of Gulf Aviation/Gulf Air in the 1960's-1970's, one of the DC-3 Hump pilots mentioned above, would often step in to fill a last minute crew vacancy on a DC3 or F27 service operating from Bahrain. So would the Chief Pilot Jimmy Madle. (Spelling??).
His practice was to light up his ciigar while taxying, so that it was going well by the time he needed both hands for take-off. He would then puff contentedly until it was well and truly finished. If the first stop was Doha, it would last through the turn-round and departure for Abu Dhabi or Dubai. |
What about electrical bonding leads? |
Have you TRIED to light cold AVTUR?
AVGAS, different matter. Whilst I appreciate why the rules are there (40+ years of experience flying/refuelling), I do think there are times where the zealous are just a pain in the arse. |
Fire during fueling All it takes is a heat source and a fuel spray. The latter is unusual, but I have had fuel spraying out of the fuel vents a few times. The rules are there for a reason. |
I was told that in the RN firefighting course the CPO would demonstrate how to extinguish a petrol fire by sloshing on a wave of petrol. It's the vapour that's burning etc. Better make sure there's not a persistent source of ignition though.
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