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WingNut60 23rd Sep 2019 00:43


Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek (Post 10576708)
Hmm - Do you mean -40deg C or deg F ?
Both the same at -40

Hmmmm...I guess I meant deg C, since that's what I wrote.
But you are correct. Not much difference C to F at that temperature.
But I also mentioned "around" because, of course, it may vary slightly with gasoline type, brand (additives) and atmospheric pressure (and, hence, altitude).

A common mistake is to confuse flash point with auto ignition temperature. Very different.

RatherBeFlying 23rd Sep 2019 01:13

Pilots have long had to learn about mixture control – too rich or too lean the air/fuel mixture (vapor) will not burn, whether methane, gasoline, diesel, avtur or other hydrocarbon mixture.

Viscount Way 23rd Sep 2019 08:15

Those of us old enough to remember Alan Bodger will probably recall Lord Brabazon’s TV appearance
demonstrating why it was not a good idea for commercial airlines to fuel up with JP4. That was/is a 50/50
mix of gasoline and kerosene I believe. Brabazon was was head of the ARB at the time, but apparently it
was beyond his powers to ban the stuff. The whole thing was debated in Parliament and anyone interested
can read his epic speech in Hansard for 01 February 1961. Sorry, I can’t post the link, but check it out for
history in the making.

old,not bold 23rd Sep 2019 12:23


Sorry, I can’t post the link, but check it out for history in the making.
Yer tiz......

MapleTopGun 23rd Sep 2019 16:40

I recall a fire fighting demo during basic training at RAF Halton where a match was thrown into a tray of Jet A1 & much to everyones surprise the match was extinguished by the fuel

Krystal n chips 23rd Sep 2019 17:15


Originally Posted by MapleTopGun (Post 10577444)
I recall a fire fighting demo during basic training at RAF Halton where a match was thrown into a tray of Jet A1 & much to everyones surprise the match was extinguished by the fuel

A similar test of the flammability theory was carried out one day at Celle c/o two intrepid members of the A.A.C.

Unfortunately, the drip tray was located underneath a Scout at the time..... the Scout subsequently had some nice shiny new skin and other bits of airframe.

We got the impression the Army were " not too happy " about this spontaneous demonstration .....

lomapaseo 23rd Sep 2019 18:29


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10577470)
A similar test of the flammability theory was carried out one day at Celle c/o two intrepid members of the A.A.C.

Unfortunately, the drip tray was located underneath a Scout at the time..... the Scout subsequently had some nice shiny new skin and other bits of airframe.

We got the impression the Army were " not too happy " about this spontaneous demonstration .....

are we talking about a boy scout or a girl scout?

Viscount Way 23rd Sep 2019 21:59

Thank you. (Proper job) Imagine even the possibility of a similar debate today. Informed, non-political, polite discussion taking place in our Upper House. I actually saw the BBC piece at the time which made a great impression on youth setting off in aviation.

laardvark 24th Sep 2019 10:04


Originally Posted by clark y (Post 10575199)
What about electrical bonding leads?

Yes , they may be safely smoked while refueling .


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