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Smoking next to an aircraft being refuelled.

Old 20th Sep 2019, 18:34
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Smoking next to an aircraft being refuelled.

There are times my fellow travellers leave me speechless...

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/20/idiot...lled-10778001/

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Old 20th Sep 2019, 19:16
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Can’t smoke within 8 hours of flying, can’t drink within 50 m of an aircraft
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 19:44
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Not totally the same, but I remember being able to smoke on the ground (inside the delayed aircraft) on Air India in the 90's. Food was good too.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 20:07
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Smoking and fueling in progress!

Dude!
If I had cent for every time I have stopped someone smoking on the tarmac!!!
I have uplifted some 25 million liters Jet A1 and had my first fuel leak the other day.
2 or at the most 3 liters.
Big circus. No smokers, No CNN.
Lokelihood of caboom is small, just compare with any gas station, which has more spills and plenty of smokers.
The cigarettes is not dangerous , the ignorant selfish tosser behind it is. Some people love to challenge authority these days.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 20:09
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Back in my racing days, I watched - more than once - (from a discrete distance) as others poured racing gasoline into their fuel tank while smoking - once even saw the ash fall off the cigarette and land in the fuel as it was being poured .
As a certain American comedian likes to say 'you can't fix stupid'
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If jetfuel was as explosive as the interviewed 'survivors' seem to believe, i would never be in the vicinity of an aircraft.

Was it dangerous? No, not at all, but it is illegal...
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 20:22
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Originally Posted by The Bartender View Post
If jetfuel was as explosive as the interviewed 'survivors' seem to believe, i would never be in the vicinity of an aircraft.

Was it dangerous? No, not at all, but it is illegal...
Exactly. Unless it's aerosolized or the ambient temp is really high, you could extinguish burning cigarettes (or matches) in Jet A1 all day, without incident (except for contaminating the fuel). But don't do that, of course.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 21:26
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded View Post
Exactly. Unless it's aerosolized or the ambient temp is really high, you could extinguish burning cigarettes (or matches) in Jet A1 all day, without incident (except for contaminating the fuel). But don't do that, of course.
Perhaps not exactly correct...

The folks at SeaTac airport tried a version of that experiment for you.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 21:35
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.[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by The Bartender
If jetfuel was as explosive as the interviewed 'survivors' seem to believe, i would never be in the vicinity of an aircraft.

Was it dangerous? No, not at all, but it is illegal...
Exactly. Unless it's aerosolized or the ambient temp is really high, you could extinguish burning cigarettes (or matches) in Jet A1 all day, without incident (except for contaminating the fuel). But don't do that, of course. .[/QUOTE]

I remember staging through an Italian airforce base in Bari many moons ago, we had arranged to be refuelled and I nipped over to see the Italian guys who were refuelling their G91s to try to get ours done pdq. Found the guy on the fuel hose with a fag in the corner of his mouth, he must have seen me recoil in fright because when he finished topping off the tank he gave me a toothless grin and put his fag out by dipping it in the overflowing tank.

So because no Big Bang occurred, I can confirm the above quote is true, but my nerves have never been the same since!
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Water pilot View Post
Perhaps not exactly correct...

The folks at SeaTac airport tried a version of that experiment for you.
Oops. Yeah, that was a mistake. But what happened in that case is that the sprayed fuel was heated by the fire to the point that much of it was at a temperature near flashpoint, and to vaporize at least some of it . . . and more was heated and vaporized (and some probably aerosolized) when the first batch flashed, and on and on, very rapidly.

Let me see . . .
. You can ignore Hendry's analysis and argument about TWA 800 (he's one of the "missile did it" gang), but even though the video is bad, the demonstration of Jet A volatility is useful.

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Old 21st Sep 2019, 00:26
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Many years ago I was idling at a maintenance hangar and a mechanic was working on a Cessna 310 fuel drain with a lit cigarette in his mouth. He stuck his screwdriver into the drain and whatever he did caused the fuel - avgas- to come gushing out. So he calmly dropped the cigarette into the avgas on the ground and it extinguished. This was at an ambient temperature of beach clothing magnitude. No BS, I saw it with my own eyes.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 00:57
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How do you tell a captain, that's Flown the Hump in Burma, not to smoke on a DC3 flight deck? You wouldn't dare! Condensation collector trough filled with dog-ends and a fag lit while turning base at Ostend. Yes, turning base. Suck, suck suck suck - long glowing core of fire - stub stub stub - pat sparks on lap - flare - peep of tyres.

I can still smell the aroma of petrol, see the NO SMOKING placard and the collapse of the pile of previous dog-ends cascading out of the trough. Kuh! Tell the kids of today . . .
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 01:46
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And I knew a guy who demonstrated to his work crew that you can remove the bright yellow staining of sodium iso-butyl xanthate from your hands by washing them in cyanide solution.

As with the cigarette in gasoline example, it works but that doesn't make it a good idea.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 08:16
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If you want the exciting bit, 1:32 onwards.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 09:02
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Passenger Sarah Beecroft, 43, said a member of the aviation team ran over to him ‘grabbed the cigarette out of his hand and stubbed it out’. She said: ‘It was outrageous, everyone was going crazy – we could’ve died. It doesn’t bear to think what could’ve happened. It was just an act of stupidity.
The more outraged you are, the easier to appear in a paper. Then this scientist passengers boards an aluminium tube, travels at 800klicks an hour in -60 air temperature at about a quarter of the regular pressure and pays for that. What an act of stupidity, just think what could have happened !

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Old 21st Sep 2019, 11:19
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The late, great Alan Bodger, General Manager of Gulf Aviation/Gulf Air in the 1960's-1970's, one of the DC-3 Hump pilots mentioned above, would often step in to fill a last minute crew vacancy on a DC3 or F27 service operating from Bahrain. So would the Chief Pilot Jimmy Madle. (Spelling??).

His practice was to light up his ciigar while taxying, so that it was going well by the time he needed both hands for take-off. He would then puff contentedly until it was well and truly finished. If the first stop was Doha, it would last through the turn-round and departure for Abu Dhabi or Dubai.

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Old 21st Sep 2019, 11:49
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What about electrical bonding leads?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:10
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Have you TRIED to light cold AVTUR?

AVGAS, different matter.

Whilst I appreciate why the rules are there (40+ years of experience flying/refuelling), I do think there are times where the zealous are just a pain in the arse.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:18
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Fire during fueling

All it takes is a heat source and a fuel spray. The latter is unusual, but I have had fuel spraying out of the fuel vents a few times.
The rules are there for a reason.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 13:19
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I was told that in the RN firefighting course the CPO would demonstrate how to extinguish a petrol fire by sloshing on a wave of petrol. It's the vapour that's burning etc. Better make sure there's not a persistent source of ignition though.
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