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Meester proach 7th Oct 2020 05:34

I should think the Norwegian government doesn’t want wizz anywhere near the important inter Scandinavian routes

ManaAdaSystem 9th Oct 2020 14:06

From Scandiland news: They now consider closing their Gatwick base.

Old King Coal 9th Oct 2020 14:47

ManaAdaSystem.....in line with what you say, the rumour I hear suggests that Norwegian's short-haul ops at LGW will cease on 30th November and any folk presently on furlough will correspondingly be made redundant.

EIFFS 9th Oct 2020 20:08

Kirks gusset

I'm not sure the Norwegian government will see WIZZ as a suitable replacement, most of the local jobs would be low paid line maintenance, cabin crew a few pilots and any profits from revenue will go back to WIZZ home country, WIZZ cost base similar to FR which tells you all you need to know about well paid jobs, Oslo will step in to Norwefgian.

EIFFS 9th Oct 2020 20:24

I suspect that there will be many airlines in state ownership before this is over, not much point having a trillion dollars rainy day sovereign wealth fund and not using it when it pisses it down, Norway is heavily dependant on tourism, the plan would be to privatise it downline, a bit like the SNP with Prestwick except that the Norwegians are well educated and the SNP are thick as mince.

SWBKCB 9th Oct 2020 20:29

Don't Norway and the EU have an Open Skies agreement?

brushcounsel 10th Oct 2020 08:40


Originally Posted by EIFFS (Post 10901466)
any profits from revenue will go back to WIZZ home country

So, to Switzerland?

Also, how much of Norwegian's profits has Norway been getting recently and what's their ROI on current aid?

SaulGoodman 10th Oct 2020 09:18

I don’t see Norwegian in their current shape and form surviving however:

Norway might be interested in a controlling stake in a “national” airline serving OSL. If Norwegian can renegotiate its leases and Norway can buy the airline on the cheap it might be viable in the long term in a much smaller form. Look at the Aerlingus model connecting Europe and North America or Finnair between Asia and Europe. Competing on a short haul market with WIZZ or RYR would be a complete death sentence as is LH loco.

Kirks gusset 10th Oct 2020 09:49

Tourism may well be important for Norway, as with every other country, however, the tourism income results from people visiting the county and spending internally. Of course there is an element of infrastructure revenues from taxi, airport staff etc. The means by which tourists get to the county matters not, and in the case of NAS, most of the "revenue" is hoovered up with the historical debts , most of which reside outside Norway. The proposed closure of LGW SH ops was always on the cards, there was no way the Company would stump up wages for Foreign workers when haemorrhaging funds at home. Perhaps the cost savings may be enough to allow the LH ops to start again.

Norwegian Air’s short-haul flights from Gatwick will not be affected as they are operated by pilots and crew based in the Nordics, the spokesman said.
One assumes the LH crews will be subject to the "flexi contracts" agreed at the May re-structuring meeting..i.e paid when needed to fly.
Sad times once again, Spain only costs them social taxes so may be safe until the summer when things should pick up... unless Wizz take advantage of the routes,
The release of the locked up shares yesterday (9th) resulted in a 24% fall in share prices.
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote...k-up-31509812/

Meester proach 10th Oct 2020 11:50

I can assure you no one I know of in LH, has any sight , or knowledge of “ flexicontracts “, or any such thing.

samsara 10th Oct 2020 17:31

Kirks gussett
 
I have absolutely no idea where you get your information from but a sizeable chunk of it posted on this thread is utter rubbish .

Kirks gusset 10th Oct 2020 17:36

Probably the same "rubbish" that was presented at the investor relations meeting in April before the May bail out agreement and the vision for the "New Norwegian"


Increased use of seasonal agreements to manage winter trough
https://www.norwegian.com/globalasse...april-2020.pdf

Meester proach 11th Oct 2020 14:19

Truth be told , it’s always been seasonal and I think it was this time last year they were asking who wants to go part time , leave of abscence, unpaid leave etc.
But that’s a soundbite for investors you have there and doesn’t relate directly to the reality for the crews

uncle-traveling-matt 11th Oct 2020 14:47

Correct, this is about roster flexibility more than anything else. Not flexicrew contracts like easyJet had. It is a no go in the Nordics.

As for LGW SH and new Norwegian, operate Scandi to LGW and then connect to Norwegian LH, where there is a market to operate and a decent sized long-haul network. Why bother going LGW-ALC, let the vultures battle it out..

Diavel 12th Oct 2020 06:45

The management of Norwegian is considering shutting down longhaul ops out of LGW. according to the news here in Scandinavia.
The companys shares are now very close to beeing worthless, trading at 0.7 NOK at the Oslo stock exchange.
The only chance this company has is if the norwegian government decides to re capitalize the company. Something they sofar have been reluctant to do, as it is considered to be the same as throwing money into a bottomless pit.

SaulGoodman 12th Oct 2020 08:10

or are they awaiting bankruptcy so they can pick up whatever remains they want? Re-negotiating leases and so-on?

Clop_Clop 14th Oct 2020 03:45

Diavel

Still the message before was they needed more funds at the end of this year after the earlier lifeline, so for govt it shouldnt come as a surprise they need more ..

Q3 report due 29/10 so maybe some more info then about the situation...

aileron 14th Oct 2020 05:49

And the share price continues a slow burn to nothing.

Thomas_Anderson 14th Oct 2020 08:08

I’m surprised they have lasted this long in the current climate.

Kirks gusset 15th Oct 2020 20:53

https://simplywall.st/stocks/no/tran...too-much-debt/

The Norwegian Government needs to get off the fence.


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