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The Range 2nd Sep 2019 19:50

Hard times for Norwegian
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/02/b...ure/index.html

BluSdUp 2nd Sep 2019 21:11

Crises avoided!
 
No problem.
I singelhandedly saved them by bringing my flightbag AND my little carry on.
Was charged 75 euro at the gate under great protest. 75 euro!
I promised to never fly Norwegian again , I was wished a good day and pleasant journey.
I am not sure WTF they are thinking but pissing of one of the best customers they ever had is not good.
They need me, I like them, they have stupid low fare in general and HAU OSL in particular.
Saved me 100 000s of kr. thanks for the ride.

That is on a personal level.
The more rational side of me says: OOOPS!
Betting the Gatwick Slots for extended credit!!??
Short analyses : If the RR engines dont start working soon and the MAX not fixed by say end February , it is all over!

I sure hope they survive as I can afford the extra luggage price and have lots of good friends in NOR, but for the first time I have lost the faith.

Regards
Cpt B

JohnnyGoode 2nd Sep 2019 21:43


“The more rational side of me says: OOOPS!
Betting the Gatwick Slots for extended credit!!??
Short analyses : If the RR engines dont start working soon and the MAX not fixed by say end February , it is all over!”

A market analysis from a guy who does not understand why excess cabin luggage is an issue for Norwegian (and any airline in Europe these days)
- that’s rather (unintentionally) humorous. Thank you ‘captain’, keep it up;)

BluSdUp 2nd Sep 2019 22:13

Oh , but I think it was quite entertaining and it was well worth the 75e.
Consider the loss for them the ca 75 times I did not pay!
Now that is humorous.
At least to me!

Nightstop 3rd Sep 2019 07:35

What part of their T&C’s don’t you understand?Included in your hand baggage:
  • One carry-on bag free-of-charge. See below.
  • One small personal item to be placed under the seat in front of you (e.g. a small handbag, slim laptop case, duty free bag). See below.
  • Please pack essentials in your personal item (e.g. medicine, valuables and baby items).
  • The above comprises 1 cabin bag (55 x 40 x 23) and a small personal item (25 x 33 x 20). Max total weight: 10 kg.

Livesinafield 3rd Sep 2019 09:07

The good old carry on luggage debate always makes me giggle watching pax go absolutely berserk because their bag doesn’t fit into the sizer and they are charged, funny thing is if you just have a read of the regs or even better check your bag in guess what big surprise, you don’t get stung...

Meester proach 3rd Sep 2019 09:59

What irritates me is the check in staff letting them get to the plane with all that clobber.

Theres normally no space for my wallet...

Clop_Clop 3rd Sep 2019 10:15

Still the design of the aeroplane is what it is, and bags meant to go in the hold instead of onboard...

jmmoric 3rd Sep 2019 11:33

I would just wish all companies has the same size for carry on's... It annoys me that I can take a bag along in one carrier, but in another I cannot....

In the end, if they'd just improve the time is takes for luggage to go from aircraft to band, I'd never carry anything into the aircraft.... and save them the time I have to spend putting my carry on in the overhead bin.

There must be an easier way of handling luggage...

Joe le Taxi 3rd Sep 2019 11:34

Why are y'all blithering on about bags - this is about a potential default or forced debt restructure, which if it fails, looks like collapse of Norwegian (they mention a buyout in the event of default, but a default would lead precipitously to administration). New bonds secured by LGW slots?... But can they do that, because slots cannot be collateralised and traded unless they are owned an operated by an airline?

glofish 3rd Sep 2019 13:01

Since the pioneer's days of Freddie Laker, Longhaul Lowcost has always and only gone in one direction.
But still some Willheneverlearn finds some Willtheyneverthink who invest in the next hopeless chapter.

The Fat Controller 3rd Sep 2019 13:01

At least 5 of their Dreamliners currently at Prestwick, wonder if they'll ever leave !

bringbackthe80s 4th Sep 2019 06:16


Originally Posted by glofish (Post 10560837)
Since the pioneer's days of Freddie Laker, Longhaul Lowcost has always and only gone in one direction.
But still some Willheneverlearn finds some Willtheyneverthink who invest in the next hopeless chapter.

Not true, the ones within major airlines do work. But a company not within another company has very little chance I’d say

srjumbo747 4th Sep 2019 07:33


Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10561418)


Not true, the ones within major airlines do work. But a company not within another company has very little chance I’d say

Oh? Care to name a few?

Riskybis 4th Sep 2019 08:10


Originally Posted by srjumbo747 (Post 10561471)

Oh? Care to name a few?

i guess IAGs Level is pretty low cost

Plastic787 4th Sep 2019 08:21


Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10561418)


Not true, the ones within major airlines do work. But a company not within another company has very little chance I’d say

Is that why Lufthansa have brought all Eurowings Long Haul back to mainline?

(Oh and Air France shut down Joon too).

calypso 4th Sep 2019 08:37

It seems to me that Norwegian is finally trying to put its house in order. Closing unprofitable routes, selling non core assets and re-structuring debt is part of that. Maybe painful short term but definatly the right thing to do to get back on track.

krismiler 4th Sep 2019 08:59


Since the pioneer's days of Freddie Laker, Longhaul Lowcost has always and only gone in one direction.
If there was money to be made in long haul low cost, Michael O'Leary would have been onto it years ago and Ryanair would be operating widebodies. Would a company which would charge for using the lavatory onboard if it could get away with it pass up a money making opportunity ?

The companies which stayed close to the basic low cost model such as Southwest, Ryanair and Easyjet have mostly been successful. Those that went longhaul with widebodies mostly haven't.

The A321LR and B737 MAX will be interesting as routes beyond the traditional out and back same day will be possible with the advantage that they can still be used on the regular network if the longer stuff doesn't work out.

Joe le Taxi 4th Sep 2019 09:06


Originally Posted by calypso (Post 10561511)
It seems to me that Norwegian is finally trying to put its house in order. Closing unprofitable routes, selling non core assets and re-structuring debt is part of that. Maybe painful short term but definatly the right thing to do to get back on track.

Interesting spin - but being forced into delaying debt repayment can hardly be regarded as"putting your house in order". Apart from anything else, it will make future debt more expensive

lomapaseo 4th Sep 2019 13:57


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 10561534)
Interesting spin - but being forced into delaying debt repayment can hardly be regarded as"putting your house in order". Apart from anything else, it will make future debt more expensive

But doesn't it give the airline more time to be bailed by somebody with deeper pockets?


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