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EIFFS 13th Apr 2020 10:31

If we were BC (before Coronavirus) I would have said that Norwegian had a slightly better than evens chance of trading to longer term profitability and paying down it debt pile.

PC (Post Coronavirus) and we aren't anywhere near PC I just don't see how Norwegian can dodge this bullet shy of state aid on a massive scale, having said that its worth remembering that Norwegian was historically structured in such away that dead limbs could be cut off thus protecting the core (K area) The Norwegian Government will not be keen on a total collapse of the Norwegian brand or the loss of tax revenue from well paid employees in Norway.

I just can't see anyway the Government of Norway will or should bail out the entire group, so my best guess is that they will underwrite a chapter 11 style of restructuring which will be an Oslo centric operation (wasn't it always thus) flying short haul MAX & NG aircraft across Europe with few if any European bases, this new Norwegian will be largely state owned and will be re privatised in 3-5 years

If I recall the LGW slots were monetised and used for loan security so may well be called in but they are probably of little value now.

Anybody who thinks that in a few months it will be all over and business as normal is delusional, this year is a write off for the travel industry especially long haul at least until a vaccine is available to all and I can't see that before 2021

When airlines can fly again it will be Ryanair out of the blocks first with ultra low fares and will use its massive cash reserves to buy market share and push weakened companies to the wall.

Meester proach 13th Apr 2020 12:06

Well fingers crossed....I shudder to imagine a transport option that mainly revolves around Ryanair

Chris2303 14th Apr 2020 01:38


Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero (Post 10748577)
The whole thing is being strung along because the absurd complexity of the whole operation will be exposed. In years to come, someone will write a book....How Not To Run An Airline.

Somebody already did: "Wings" by Robert J Serling

Bencap 14th Apr 2020 08:00

-50% on the share price today, something is happening?

fruitbat 14th Apr 2020 11:11

Record drop in Norwegian share price today, understandable as shareholders will be either massively diluted or the company will cease to exist.

8029848s 14th Apr 2020 12:03


Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 10749565)
Record drop in Norwegian share price today, understandable as shareholders will be either massively diluted or the company will cease to exist.

NAS market cap around £80m........something has to happen.

SMT Member 14th Apr 2020 12:27

Existing shareholders stand to lose around 96% of the value, as a Norwegian share with a nominal value of 100 will be worth only 4, if the plans of converting debt to equity goes through. Whilst that is indeed doubtful, shareholders are bailing en masse in order to save what can be saved. Hence the value has dropped around 50% within the first 20 minutes of trading on the Oslo stock exchange this morning.

The thing is, without converting debt to equity Norwegian cannot access the next - and by far largest - tranche of support from the NO government. Without that support, they look to be pretty much buggered.

macdo 14th Apr 2020 12:29

Feels like the last gasps of Thomas Cook, again.
Sympathy to all the employees and small shareholders.

Capt Scribble 14th Apr 2020 13:51

Macdo. ..and TCX previously, and Mytravel before that. Its a good thing the chinese Zn/Au mine is still going!

Jwscud 14th Apr 2020 19:14

Alert from BALPA that Norwegian UK don’t have the money to pay OSM April salaries and unless they get money from the UK Government nothing forthcoming from OSM who don’t have the funds either. Thoughts with all colleagues there :(

davidjohnson6 14th Apr 2020 20:49

Really can't see either the Irish or UK Govt coughing up to support Norwegian Air International or Norwegian Air UK
Bit of a long shot, but I wonder if the Swedes mights put some money in the pot to keep a couple of planes for Norwegian's base at Stockholm to provide competition against SAS for connections to the far north - or would they prefer to bail out BRA instead ?

macdo 14th Apr 2020 22:00


Originally Posted by Capt Scribble (Post 10749732)
Macdo. ..and TCX previously, and Mytravel before that. Its a good thing the chinese Zn/Au mine is still going!

And don't forget the financial tightrope AIH walked. Same old same old, in my (long) experience the directors will come up smelling of roses in another field while the pbi take a hit. Glad to be permanently out of it post September '99. Good luck delving those foreign mines:)

FullWings 15th Apr 2020 07:58

I really feel for the people working there at this time of utter uncertainty. No-one is safe in this industry at the moment.

However, Norwegian's business plan appeared to be:

1. Get lots and lots of expensive aeroplanes
2. ???
3. Profit!!

And it doesn’t seem to have worked that well, even pre-pandemic...

vikingivesterled 15th Apr 2020 13:24

For they who where contemplating a long distance low cost operation there is something to be said for buying the company for sub 80 million euro without its overpriced plane leases and then negotiate with each batch of planeowners for a post corona pricing plan. With luck and financial patience one could even get the inital purchase price ++ back from Boeing in Max settlements. There is multiple AOC's, a governements approved transatlantic route network and a batch of new planes, already built so cheaper than new, to get quickly started post lockdowns, and a market name slightly more respected than the bottom of the low fares pile.
One would think that would be better than pursue expansion in the lowfares space overcrowded european market. In addition one would have a strong out of the blocks foothold in the intra Norway and Scandinavia markets which was always the moneyspinners Norwegian used to finance their longhaul. Trondheim-Oslo (with cheapest fares of 100 euro equivalent even out of season) is a core route with volume levels and frequency comparable to Dublin-London . Bergen-Oslo and Oslo-Copenhagen was not far behind in volumes.

bornfree 15th Apr 2020 13:38

No April salary
 
https://www.theguardian.com/business...alary-covid-19

8che 15th Apr 2020 14:10


Originally Posted by vikingivesterled (Post 10750804)
For they who where contemplating a long distance low cost operation there is something to be said for buying the company for sub 80 million euro without its overpriced plane leases and then negotiate with each batch of planeowners for a post corona pricing plan. With luck and financial patience one could even get the inital purchase price ++ back from Boeing in Max settlements. There is multiple AOC's, a governements approved transatlantic route network and a batch of new planes, already built so cheaper than new, to get quickly started post lockdowns, and a market name slightly more respected than the bottom of the low fares pile.
One would think that would be better than pursue expansion in the lowfares space overcrowded european market. In addition one would have a strong out of the blocks foothold in the intra Norway and Scandinavia markets which was always the moneyspinners Norwegian used to finance their longhaul. Trondheim-Oslo (with cheapest fares of 100 euro equivalent even out of season) is a core route with volume levels and frequency comparable to Dublin-London . Bergen-Oslo and Oslo-Copenhagen was not far behind in volumes.

Wise words Viking. About the most intelligent post I have read on here for quite some time.

FullWings 15th Apr 2020 14:21

IAG could do the above, as they displayed a certain interest in Norwegian a while back. I expect any offer would be around the €1 mark ±10c...

RexBanner 15th Apr 2020 14:29

FFS get real. Anyone who buys Norwegian at this point is also taking on all the debt too. Over 7Billion dollars worth. Who in their right mind is going to do that in the current climate?

FRogge 15th Apr 2020 14:35


Originally Posted by vikingivesterled (Post 10750804)
For they who where contemplating a long distance low cost operation there is something to be said for buying the company for sub 80 million euro without its overpriced plane leases and then negotiate with each batch of planeowners for a post corona pricing plan. With luck and financial patience one could even get the inital purchase price ++ back from Boeing in Max settlements. There is multiple AOC's, a governements approved transatlantic route network and a batch of new planes, already built so cheaper than new, to get quickly started post lockdowns, and a market name slightly more respected than the bottom of the low fares pile.
One would think that would be better than pursue expansion in the lowfares space overcrowded european market. In addition one would have a strong out of the blocks foothold in the intra Norway and Scandinavia markets which was always the moneyspinners Norwegian used to finance their longhaul. Trondheim-Oslo (with cheapest fares of 100 euro equivalent even out of season) is a core route with volume levels and frequency comparable to Dublin-London . Bergen-Oslo and Oslo-Copenhagen was not far behind in volumes.

Also there is brand value, atleast to some extent. They're after all biggest foreign carrier out of NY, so that definitely has some value in it.

vikingivesterled 15th Apr 2020 15:01

Debt is mostly in plane leases and quite a bit to of US export finance who will not be interested in owning a foreign airline. All those planes sold at overprice on delivery against a overcost leaseback would have to have their leases renegotiated or planes returned. Preferably by a company that have other business with the same planeowners. Or a cash rich finance company with an interest in the airline industry that could buy out the planeowners at a discount in the current market and lease the planes effectively back to itself. And then in 3-5 years, when Boeing the Max payout has been scooped up and markets normalise, relaunch Norwegian back to the market as a well financed and well established airline. I could se a 5 to 10 fold payback on initial investment.
Pricing of a takeover would need to be in the 1-10c a share range through an enormous expansion of number of shares, to which existing shareholders for legal reasons would have to be invited to participate. Any pure buyout of existing shares would just be giving money to existing shareholders and would not only increase the price but would neither help the company survive. A new top management team with extensive airline experience and preferably scandi experience would also have to be put in place.
An umbrella company like IAG could be an option, but I suspect they don't want a long haul low fares competitor to BA or a Spain competitor to Iberia, so would shrink Norwegian to Scandinavia only taking away halve the advantages, but there are others.


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