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bhunt95 20th Jun 2019 17:01

Persian Gulf
 
Any airlines been diverting the area because of the heighten rhetoric between US and Iran?

ATC Watcher 20th Jun 2019 20:24

There is a NOTAM from the US : NOTAM KICZ A0015/19, mentioning danger of mis-identification .. there was a 787 pretty close to the missile track when the Global Hawk was shot down. The airspace around is quite complicated , and the Qatari blockade does not help .
ATC is not in a position to help either as this is a purely military/ political issue. The strait of Hormuz is not really a place to overfly in at the moment.

Old Dogs 20th Jun 2019 21:07


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10498936)
There is a NOTAM from the US : NOTAM KICZ A0015/19, mentioning danger of mis-identification .... .

On both sides.

290 people died when the USA mistakenly shot down Iran Air 655.

jolihokistix 20th Jun 2019 23:14

Not taking sides, but just something to be aware of. Most Arabs prefer to call it the Arabian Gulf. I once witnessed a fight over this at close quarters.

ironbutt57 20th Jun 2019 23:36


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 10499031)
Not taking sides, but just something to be aware of. Most Arabs prefer to call it the Arabian Gulf. I once witnessed a fight over this at close quarters.

one will get called in for a serious tea and bikkies session for referring to it as the "Persian" gulf over a PA....I called it "the Gulf"...raised no hackles with either our Arabic or Persian guests

Wunwing 21st Jun 2019 03:19

I was a pax southbound out of a Gulf airport early this week and copped a 2 hour "slot" delay at a very quiet time of the night.
Maybe there is a problem?
Wunwing

meloz 21st Jun 2019 03:32


Originally Posted by Wunwing (Post 10499104)
I was a pax southbound out of a Gulf airport early this week and copped a 2 hour "slot" delay at a very quiet time of the night.
Maybe there is a problem?
Wunwing

I've had similar delay departing SYZ, same airfield?

Globocnik 21st Jun 2019 06:10

More likely flow control through Muscat’s airspace as most operators are still avoiding Karachi FIR.

CaptainProp 21st Jun 2019 06:17

Notam A0019/19 was issued at 0148 UTC, June 21st

All US operators are prohibited from entering the Tehran FIR in the area above the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

SMT Member 21st Jun 2019 06:23

Traffic over the strait seems pretty normal for a friday morning (screengrab from FR24 taken at 06:20Z)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a9og9k.png

RAD_ALT_ALIVE 21st Jun 2019 07:01

Sadly for QR, all their ops to destinations east (except PEK, HND and ICN) have no choice but to overfly the Strait of Hormuz. If hostilities break out there, it could mean tough times ahead for the Qatari Flag Carrier too; there are no other economically viable routes for them to use to get to those places.

Their only hope would be for a snappy resolution to the blockade.

The AvgasDinosaur 21st Jun 2019 07:03

One hopes they are all diligently monitoring military guard, as requested a short while ago by USN.
Stay safe
David

dr dre 21st Jun 2019 07:11


Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur (Post 10499196)
One hopes they are all diligently monitoring military guard, as requested a short while ago by USN.
Stay safe
David

That wouldn't do much good. Iranair 655 was monitoring guard, weren't they?

Maybe it should be the responsibility of armed forces to not "misidentify" aircraft in areas with high civilian traffic?

The AvgasDinosaur 21st Jun 2019 07:29

I admit I don’t know I wasn’t there.i believe the Airbus crew were actually monitoring closely ‘civil guard’ Their aircraft was not equipped to monitor military guard.
As I understood the situation.
Be lucky
David

DaveReidUK 21st Jun 2019 08:11


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10499169)
Notam A0019/19 was issued at 0148 UTC, June 21st

All US operators are prohibited from entering the Tehran FIR in the area above the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.


Precedent would suggest that many other non-US operators will also observe the restriction, even though not bound by it.

Other than Qatar and Gulf Air, there's not much evidence of other carriers currently transitting the Tehran FIR.

compressor stall 21st Jun 2019 08:56


Other than Qatar and Gulf Air, there's not much evidence of other carriers currently transitting the Tehran FIR.
huh? Right now as at 0856Z well there's Bangladesh, Indian, Singapore, Etihad, Kuwait, Malaysia, Turkish, Aeroflot, Eurowings...

On Track 21st Jun 2019 09:22

Just heard on the news that Qantas are avoiding the area.

DaveReidUK 21st Jun 2019 09:43


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10499301)
huh? Right now as at 0856Z well there's Bangladesh, Indian, Singapore, Etihad, Kuwait, Malaysia, Turkish, Aeroflot, Eurowings...

Well if there was, it all seems to have disappeared again. :O

Though there's certainly a bunch of traffic skirting the southern edge of OIIX, including several of the carriers you mention.

WingNut60 21st Jun 2019 10:26


Originally Posted by On Track (Post 10499329)
Just heard on the news that Qantas are avoiding the area.

Might make their PER - LHR 787 non-stop a bit tricky

bill fly 21st Jun 2019 10:39


Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur (Post 10499223)
I admit I don’t know I wasn’t there.i believe the Airbus crew were actually monitoring closely ‘civil guard’ Their aircraft was not equipped to monitor military guard.
As I understood the situation.
Be lucky
David

About 50 years or so ago I was taught that 121.5 being a half frequency of 243 was a design feature in the hopes that an emergency transmission harmonic would break through. These days, with filters etc. that might not happen.


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