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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:01
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Persian Gulf

Any airlines been diverting the area because of the heighten rhetoric between US and Iran?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:24
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There is a NOTAM from the US : NOTAM KICZ A0015/19, mentioning danger of mis-identification .. there was a 787 pretty close to the missile track when the Global Hawk was shot down. The airspace around is quite complicated , and the Qatari blockade does not help .
ATC is not in a position to help either as this is a purely military/ political issue. The strait of Hormuz is not really a place to overfly in at the moment.
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher View Post
There is a NOTAM from the US : NOTAM KICZ A0015/19, mentioning danger of mis-identification .... .
On both sides.

290 people died when the USA mistakenly shot down Iran Air 655.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 23:14
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Not taking sides, but just something to be aware of. Most Arabs prefer to call it the Arabian Gulf. I once witnessed a fight over this at close quarters.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 23:36
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Not taking sides, but just something to be aware of. Most Arabs prefer to call it the Arabian Gulf. I once witnessed a fight over this at close quarters.
one will get called in for a serious tea and bikkies session for referring to it as the "Persian" gulf over a PA....I called it "the Gulf"...raised no hackles with either our Arabic or Persian guests
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 03:19
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I was a pax southbound out of a Gulf airport early this week and copped a 2 hour "slot" delay at a very quiet time of the night.
Maybe there is a problem?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 03:32
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Originally Posted by Wunwing View Post
I was a pax southbound out of a Gulf airport early this week and copped a 2 hour "slot" delay at a very quiet time of the night.
Maybe there is a problem?
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I've had similar delay departing SYZ, same airfield?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:10
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More likely flow control through Muscat’s airspace as most operators are still avoiding Karachi FIR.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:17
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Notam A0019/19 was issued at 0148 UTC, June 21st

All US operators are prohibited from entering the Tehran FIR in the area above the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:23
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Traffic over the strait seems pretty normal for a friday morning (screengrab from FR24 taken at 06:20Z)

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:01
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Sadly for QR, all their ops to destinations east (except PEK, HND and ICN) have no choice but to overfly the Strait of Hormuz. If hostilities break out there, it could mean tough times ahead for the Qatari Flag Carrier too; there are no other economically viable routes for them to use to get to those places.

Their only hope would be for a snappy resolution to the blockade.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:03
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One hopes they are all diligently monitoring military guard, as requested a short while ago by USN.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:11
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
One hopes they are all diligently monitoring military guard, as requested a short while ago by USN.
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That wouldn't do much good. Iranair 655 was monitoring guard, weren't they?

Maybe it should be the responsibility of armed forces to not "misidentify" aircraft in areas with high civilian traffic?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:29
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I admit I don’t know I wasn’t there.i believe the Airbus crew were actually monitoring closely ‘civil guard’ Their aircraft was not equipped to monitor military guard.
As I understood the situation.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:11
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp View Post
Notam A0019/19 was issued at 0148 UTC, June 21st

All US operators are prohibited from entering the Tehran FIR in the area above the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

Precedent would suggest that many other non-US operators will also observe the restriction, even though not bound by it.

Other than Qatar and Gulf Air, there's not much evidence of other carriers currently transitting the Tehran FIR.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:56
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Other than Qatar and Gulf Air, there's not much evidence of other carriers currently transitting the Tehran FIR.
huh? Right now as at 0856Z well there's Bangladesh, Indian, Singapore, Etihad, Kuwait, Malaysia, Turkish, Aeroflot, Eurowings...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:22
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Just heard on the news that Qantas are avoiding the area.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:43
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
huh? Right now as at 0856Z well there's Bangladesh, Indian, Singapore, Etihad, Kuwait, Malaysia, Turkish, Aeroflot, Eurowings...
Well if there was, it all seems to have disappeared again.

Though there's certainly a bunch of traffic skirting the southern edge of OIIX, including several of the carriers you mention.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:26
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Originally Posted by On Track View Post
Just heard on the news that Qantas are avoiding the area.
Might make their PER - LHR 787 non-stop a bit tricky
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:39
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
I admit I don’t know I wasn’t there.i believe the Airbus crew were actually monitoring closely ‘civil guard’ Their aircraft was not equipped to monitor military guard.
As I understood the situation.
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David
About 50 years or so ago I was taught that 121.5 being a half frequency of 243 was a design feature in the hopes that an emergency transmission harmonic would break through. These days, with filters etc. that might not happen.
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