A380 Landing Short on Pax Video?
 

Some outfit called the Air Safety Group has posted a video of a 'nameless' airline's A380 supposedly landing short of the threshold. This looks like a seat back screen, after the touchdown a pop-up message asks 'How did we do?'

The video is being retweeted on aviation sites like @CivMilAir and will probably make its way into the news cycle on a slow weekend.

Quote:

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This video has been sent to the ASG it shows a serious incident of an ****** A380 landing short Would anyone with any information about this landing please send it to

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One of the comments on the original post suggests that the touchdown is normal while the video is several seconds behind which seems plausible. I'd find it hard to believe that an A380 could land short without someone else noticing.

In my experience those cameras often have a several second delay. It's obvious when watching for rotation or touchdown as a pax.

Is the touchdown confirmed at the same time by both the video plus the sound? If so I don't see a several second delay.

Any chance for picture foreshortening?

But the sound is the ambient cabin sound, not from the video feed. You can hear the touchdown before you see it on the (possibly delayed) video feed. Makes sense to me, (if my brain is working this morning, anyway).

Personally, watching these video feeds as a pax on many flights, it looks normal to me. Maybe some IFE systems have more delay than others, but they are all delayed. Takes time to encode the video from the source and stream it to the IFE.

If they indeed touched down short they would have collected the last part of the approach lights which would have caused substantial damage to both the plane and the lights (!). Something doesn't add up.

Methinks that the somewhat pompously self-described "Air Safety Group UK" hasn't done their credibility any good by posting this nonsense.

Has anybody ever heard of this "voluntary effort to improve safety for the travelling public since 1964" ?

https://airsafetygroup.org

Video out of synch
 

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Replying to @ASG_EGTT @AviationSafety @avheraldIt’s not a serious incident. The camera video is delayed on all A380’s so the sound of touchdown is ‘live’ and the video on screen comes through after a few seconds.

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Hopefully the airline-that-cannot-be-named, whom they accused of landing an A380 short of the runway, will be understanding in this instance.

So that explains why all tail cams not the 380 I have flown in the last month have been switched off on a large 380 inventory holder. On the first flight I thought might not be working but on the subsequent three flights they were also off....

i would love to see a video as well

Well you're half right. :O

I have the video, it's everywhere on whatsapp, I just don't know how to load it here but PM and I'll share...

sounded like one...

Its been investigated found to be a delayed video feed of a few seconds between real time reality and where it was 5 seconds before!

the video clearly shows the name of the airline that can not be named

It is also quite possible that the runway had a displaced threshold, and the pilot landed on good runway surface, not in an overrun.

See post #9.

One way of measuring the time delay is to simultaneously video and observe the beginning of push back or the arrival at the gate. Do this by Videoing the seat back display but observe the pushback through the window, when pushback starts shout now! so your voice will be recorded. Replay to examine the time delay between your voice and when the onscreen display reveals begining of pushback. Also works for the end of flight.

Agree. Much ado about nothing.

Have you ever flown an Airbus?

Haven't we been here before?

From 2010:

PPRuNe: Emirates 380 landing from tail camera

172 Driver post 23; Its ok you misspelt the airline name so they can't touch you....

I'm not exactly sure that's the reason for the latency in rendering the video. ;)

Is it possible they delay due to what happened to the American DC-10 in Chicago? If I remember correctly amounts awarded were higher because the passengers watched their crash from the front facing television. American removed these immediately after the accident. I'm not aware of anybody using them again until the A380. We should be able to look over the captain's shoulder just like in a taxi and us passengers give advice like are you sure you are taking the fastest route, watch out for the turbulence, etc.

One day last summer, I sat in seat 50H of an A-330, watching the downward-facing camera as we landed on pristine white concrete, with the the first isolated tire marks just coming into view at the top of the screen. I heard a few gasps, which seemed to be from passengers watching the same view I was.

I didn't think about video delay at the time, but that's the obvious explanation. (I remember that the touchdown came just as I was thinking that we were a few seconds from landing -- and I guess on the video, we were.)

The landing at Sydney on 16R was definitely short. The tire marks on the piano keys were there for months after. Sitting at the hold point watching landings in a gusty quartering tailwind or southerly buster on 16R can be entertaining. But no laughing. There but for the grace of God go I.........

Delay as an explanation for this video? I call bull. Videos of the view from the tail camera of a landing A380 are available all over the internet. Some show the view from the tail camera on a video screen, a pan to the window to see outside and then a pan back to the video screen. The two views, inside and outside, are synchronised. Try this one for example.


I agree with Doors to Automatic. There is no delay.