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A380 Landing Short on Pax Video?

Old 26th Jan 2019, 15:36
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A380 Landing Short on Pax Video?

Some outfit called the Air Safety Group has posted a video of a 'nameless' airline's A380 supposedly landing short of the threshold. This looks like a seat back screen, after the touchdown a pop-up message asks 'How did we do?'

The video is being retweeted on aviation sites like @CivMilAir and will probably make its way into the news cycle on a slow weekend.

This video has been sent to the ASG it shows a serious incident of an ****** A380 landing short Would anyone with any information about this landing please send it to



One of the comments on the original post suggests that the touchdown is normal while the video is several seconds behind which seems plausible. I'd find it hard to believe that an A380 could land short without someone else noticing.


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Old 26th Jan 2019, 15:56
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In my experience those cameras often have a several second delay. It's obvious when watching for rotation or touchdown as a pax.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 16:12
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Is the touchdown confirmed at the same time by both the video plus the sound? If so I don't see a several second delay.

Any chance for picture foreshortening?
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 16:15
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Is the touchdown confirmed at the same time by both the video plus the sound? If so I don't see a several second delay.

Any chance for picture foreshortening?
But the sound is the ambient cabin sound, not from the video feed. You can hear the touchdown before you see it on the (possibly delayed) video feed. Makes sense to me, (if my brain is working this morning, anyway).

Personally, watching these video feeds as a pax on many flights, it looks normal to me. Maybe some IFE systems have more delay than others, but they are all delayed. Takes time to encode the video from the source and stream it to the IFE.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 16:45
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If they indeed touched down short they would have collected the last part of the approach lights which would have caused substantial damage to both the plane and the lights (!). Something doesn't add up.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 17:16
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Methinks that the somewhat pompously self-described "Air Safety Group UK" hasn't done their credibility any good by posting this nonsense.

Has anybody ever heard of this "voluntary effort to improve safety for the travelling public since 1964" ?

https://airsafetygroup.org
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 17:32
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Check the vasi “all white”...

Yes much different perspective from the flight deck but a good cue to suggest nothing was amiss. I have had 8 sectors as a passenger on the A-380-800 and all landings have been firm........

But then again who am I to judge....
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 17:44
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Video out of synch

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Replying to @ASG_EGTT @AviationSafety @avheraldIt’s not a serious incident. The camera video is delayed on all A380’s so the sound of touchdown is ‘live’ and the video on screen comes through after a few seconds.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 18:12
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Tweet now deleted.

Hopefully the airline-that-cannot-be-named, whom they accused of landing an A380 short of the runway, will be understanding in this instance.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 10:05
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So that explains why all tail cams not the 380 I have flown in the last month have been switched off on a large 380 inventory holder. On the first flight I thought might not be working but on the subsequent three flights they were also off....
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 10:11
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This thread is useless... without the video!
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 16:13
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
This thread is useless... without the video!
i would love to see a video as well
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
This thread is useless... without the video!
Well you're half right.

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 21:35
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I have the video, it's everywhere on whatsapp, I just don't know how to load it here but PM and I'll share...
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 21:51
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Jack330 View Post
Bite me, but that looks like a landing before the lights! White PAPI, but the camera is high up so that’s normal.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 22:58
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Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem View Post


Bite me, but that looks like a landing before the lights! White PAPI, but the camera is high up so that’s normal.
sounded like one...
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:41
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Its been investigated found to be a delayed video feed of a few seconds between real time reality and where it was 5 seconds before!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 16:13
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the video clearly shows the name of the airline that can not be named
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 17:12
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There was a very similar video posted ten years ago:


Touchdown at exactly the same point but on this one you can see the spot of the real touchdown when the spoliers deploy.
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