They do from the perspective of risk/reward.

Pilots, and staff for that matter, do not risk their homes and livelihood when they take on a job. people who start companies take huge financial risks with their failies and home and should get the lions share of the reward as a result.

Anyone who doesn't like that is welcome to go and starts their own airline.

Its a curiously British trait of expecting all the rewards from starting a company. without the hassle of actually having to put your home on the line and live off reduced monies in the early days. That's why Silicon Valley could never happen in the UK - too many folks wanting a cut of someone elses company while asking others to take all the risk.

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Indeed
I have more licences and typeratings then strictly needed.
All payed by the Company I worked for at any given time!
I now regularly fly with 23 year old FOs with a direct investment of 150 000euros.
Last week I had one that started his type 2017 july and had final line check this June.
Except for ca 80 hrs line training pay at a low rate he lived for 11 MONTHS off the Bank.

Anyway
Details! Work in Progress!
Progress! And the BIG picture!!
The future is so bright, were is my Ray Bans?!!
Gone Flying
Regards
Cpt B

I imagine you regularly petition your direct management to support sponsored selection and training of new flight crew.

If you trawl PPrune you find dozens if not hundreds of posts from people desperate to become pilots and to move into airline jobs. I'm afraid they won't help preserve the status-quo never mind fight for better conditions if the alternative is reaching their goal.

TBH the airline business has changed so much over the last 30 years it is hardly recognisable outside of a few National Carriers. Every one can scream and rail about the results but I'm afraid that, like so many industries, the old ways have gone forever. This isn't really a choice between good & evil - it's the way of the world and I don't think it can be stopped

The heart of this is the entrepreneurial advocacy. They are the sole risk takers & even MOR will have held his breath in the early years. I do admire them as they directly resulted in my career opportunities & advancement. Of course, he has taken advantage of the trend in order to maximise profit, quickly. If sponsored cadet training was the only option, these high flying risk takers would have found ways to profit, even from that. Imagine, say, the Ryanair College of Air Training based at some glorious Irish airfield. All fees paid upfront to final line check. BUT, ....................then......................all fees returned to the company through reduced salary over ten years.(plus interest, of course). There. End of. College expands to take cadets sponsored (similar deal) by other airlines. Blimey, massive money maker, massive profits and applicants lining up from all over the place. Oh, and I should be Principal. Awaiting M's phone call.

They already did that. You don't really think CAE got the entire 30k for a 73 type rating down do you? Also all the intermediaries that take a slice of the action of the contractors payments. Hard to believe that FR don't benefit in some shape or form from Brookfield or suchlike. I can't imagine they just gave away that income stream for free to an agency wanting to employ pilots without a kick back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...says-1.3561268

30 flights cancelled - with the way FR work their crews that's what 8 crews on strike........

"Terms of reference" in other words the Company wanted anyone who agrees with them on the group and the union wanted anyone who disagrees with the Company.. Probably the Company also wanted members to use AVAC days to attend meetings and buy their own water at the meeting!

Around 100 of the 350 Irish pilots went on strike yesterday. How come the other 250 pilots didn't go on strike?
This might just be the beginning.
Ryanair pilots, the time is now.

Can't help but admire your intentions, however ryr is populated by legions of those sort of people who would sell/kill their mother to get ahead.
O' Misery takes advantage of that. End of story





exploits that

I know that, I've seen many of those, but you have to keep on trying, some day some of them will see it.

RowBot
One of the main indicators of running a good business is to collect minions below you that out wit you, and fire those that cannot.

Yeah, but he didn't copy the way Southwest treats its pilots and employees.

SMT Member, Heathrow Harry and 45989 have it nailed. It's a bit rich for the LoCo crew to ask everyone to support them when they have spent the last two decades buying their jobs and stitching each other up.

There was a lad on here a few years ago seekig his first job. He wanted existing captains to strike until the airlines stopped charging for type ratings, wouldn't have it that those captains had worked their way up without paying for a TR or that the quickest way to stop the trade in buying a job was simply not to buy one.

Sorry but if you are seeking either sympathy or support both are in the dictionary somewhere between 'sh!t' and 'syphillis'.