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FlyingStone 13th Apr 2018 20:10

Should UK not become an EASA member state after Brexit, UK licences will no longer be EASA-compliant and thus one will be able to hold both a UK licence and an EASA licence at the same time.

Tom Cundall 13th Apr 2018 20:11


Go ahead with all consequences, Europe does not need the Uk...
Really? You sure?

55,573.

alicopter 13th Apr 2018 20:12

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But having said all that - I can't help believing that this is just ' process ' from the EU and as far as our industry is concerned, in two years' time we'll be wondering why any of us even thought it was worth contributing to this thread.
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Exactly!!!! can't you see???? the UK will NOT leave the EU, never, and all this is purely " Circus Act "........ In a few months, everything will get back to normal!!!
No worries.

hawkeye 13th Apr 2018 20:59

When the implementation period is agreed EASA will continue to be the licensing authority for the UK. However, the UK would not wish to be beholden to the EU for ever, so it would make sense to re-establish the UK CAA. We have two years and nine months to get the CAA up and running again, which is achievable if the will is there. Whether or not Mike Vivien is up to the job is another question, but apparently 70% of the folk who work for EASA are Brits, so there should be no lack of manpower, if the price is right.

fox niner 13th Apr 2018 21:00

From the moment that the UK joined the EU, the island nation has always asked for exemptions and exeptions from standard EU rulings. Why?
What makes the UK so special that it requires a different treatment compared to any other EU nation? Good riddance.
The UK will become some sort of Taiwan-China, known as UK-EU. Totally dependent and waiting for permission from Brussels in all affairs.

Time Traveller 13th Apr 2018 21:24


Good riddance.
The UK will become some sort of Taiwan-China, known as UK-EU. Totally dependent and waiting for permission from Brussels in all affairs.
Wow, what arrogance (and ignorance), worthy of Junker himself - and you wonder why they wanted out!

marvo999 13th Apr 2018 21:25

How on earth did we survive before EASA?

edi_local 13th Apr 2018 21:35


Originally Posted by aligee (Post 10117336)
After reading the link provided I found this to be interesting

The European Union’s aviation safety legislation applies in 32 European countries – the current 28 EU Member States and the following four associated countries: Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland. The countries to which this legislation applies will, for the purposes of simplification, hereafter be referred to as "EASA Member States".

Could the 4 associated countries become 5 in the next couple of years ?

I doubt EASA would complain, but the UK government seem to want to completely distance themselves from all things European, even if it's related to the EU or not. It's quite a bizarre road to go down. EU withdrawal is one thing, but there is no logical reason why associate membership of external agencies can't be maintained, especially if it will allow at least one industry to continue as it is today and has no direct link to the referendum result or is even something the electorate even know the slightest thing about. Or is May scared that staying in EASA will cause breixteers to riot in the streets?


From the moment that the UK joined the EU, the island nation has always asked for exemptions and exeptions from standard EU rulings. Why?
What makes the UK so special that it requires a different treatment compared to any other EU nation? Good riddance.
The UK will become some sort of Taiwan-China, known as UK-EU. Totally dependent and waiting for permission from Brussels in all affairs.
Couldn't have put it better myself...and I'm in the UK! Has a country ever gone to such lengths to deliberately weaken it's global standing so much? :}

Gertrude the Wombat 13th Apr 2018 21:59


Originally Posted by fox niner (Post 10117496)
From the moment that the UK joined the EU, the island nation has always asked for exemptions and exeptions from standard EU rulings. Why?
What makes the UK so special that it requires a different treatment compared to any other EU nation?

Well, so far as the IR(R) is concerned we've got an answer: the weather.

judge11 13th Apr 2018 22:27


Originally Posted by marvo999 (Post 10117519)
How on earth did we survive before EASA?

Quite easily and happily.

Contact Approach 14th Apr 2018 00:10

What does this mean for all us UK EASA holders?

jack11111 14th Apr 2018 00:44

Doesn't UKIP have all the answers? All they wanted to do was poke out the eyes of the eurocrats. Ok. How did that feel...like revenge?

Enjoy.

4468 14th Apr 2018 01:01

My word. There’s a lot of undemocratic anti Brexit, anti Brit feeling here!

Not really too sure there'll be too much of a problem for UK crew...
Couldn’t have put it better myself.

I don’t foresee any problems for UK residents, using UK licences to fly for UK airlines. Why would there be?

Or air traffic controllers working at UK airports.

On the other hand, those wishing/needing to retain currency on an EASA licence, whilst working in the UK, may have to rethink their employment situation?

Whilst the EU may wish to sabotage/punish the UK. I’m sure the tourist industries of places like Spain, Portugal, Greece, France, Italy etc would miss their British tourists spending their British pounds!

Not to mention a good few other inconvenient truths!

Highway1 14th Apr 2018 01:15


Originally Posted by Contact Approach (Post 10117643)
What does this mean for all us UK EASA holders?

not a lot - EU citizenship is not a requirement to hold an EASA Licence

Highway1 14th Apr 2018 01:17


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 10117678)

On the other hand, those wishing/needing to retain currency on an EASA licence, whilst working in the UK, may have to rethink their employment situation?

Why? - you can hold an EASA licence in any country in the world and keep it current as long as you meet the recency requirements.

Dan Winterland 14th Apr 2018 04:32

The CAA gives the option for EASA licence holders to be issued a parallel UK licence free of charge if a citizen of the UK. As a result, I hold both EASA and UK ATPLs. I suspect many EASA ATPLs issued by the CAA are also mirrored UK ATPLs.

And if you're applying for an ATPL issued by the UK CAA over the next year - top tip. Tick the box!

Cows getting bigger 14th Apr 2018 05:36

..... yawn. We are all ICAO compliant, yes?

4468 14th Apr 2018 06:02


Why? - you can hold an EASA licence in any country in the world and keep it current as long as you meet the recency requirements.
How will you keep an EASA licence current? When your 6 monthly checks are signed up on a UK CAA licence??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No problem at all for UK residents flying for UK airlines.

Bearing in mind EASA’s approach, why would anyone in the UK give a monkey’s about another agency’s licence requirements? What do UK citizens have to lose??:rolleyes:

Nothing!

Flocks 14th Apr 2018 06:49

If not deal found (what I ll really find it surprising ... But this Brexit thing seems to be more about politics playing for themselves than really consideration for the people living in the country ...)

So ... If no deal found. I believe like said before, me I have an EASA licence but I m flying in Uk for a UK airline. So I believe Uk CAA will give me a UK licence based on my EASA so I ll have 2 licence. Now when I ll go to the sim to renewed my rating, it will only renewed my UK one, and I ll have on my own money to do the same test with private ATO to renew my EASA rating if I still want to be apply to apply to any EASA country.

But again I will be surprised if UK CAA doesn t stay with the European open SKY.

Denti 14th Apr 2018 07:00

I think it equally unlikely that no deal will be found, however, the note doesn't say what you think. Yes, the UK might simply hand out licenses for whatever pilots they want to. However, your UK EASA license will be invalid on 30/03/2019. So you will not be able to renew any rating on that license, after all the license is no longer valid at all. However, if you transfer it to another EU country before that date, it will of course remain valid.


Originally Posted by Flocks (Post 10117904)
If not deal found (what I ll really find it surprising ... But this Brexit thing seems to be more about politics playing for themselves than really consideration for the people living in the country ...)

So ... If no deal found. I believe like said before, me I have an EASA licence but I m flying in Uk for a UK airline. So I believe Uk CAA will give me a UK licence based on my EASA so I ll have 2 licence. Now when I ll go to the sim to renewed my rating, it will only renewed my UK one, and I ll have on my own money to do the same test with private ATO to renew my EASA rating if I still want to be apply to apply to any EASA country.

But again I will be surprised if UK CAA doesn t stay with the European open SKY.



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