Originally Posted by SunnyUpHere
(Post 9460442)
AVherald reports;
"...was on final approach to Dubai's runway 12L at 12:41L (08:41Z) but attempted to go around from low height. The aircraft however did not climb, but after retracting the gear touched down on the runway and burst into flames...." Windshear was also reported. Possibly the crew decided to go around due to windshear, but got caught in it and hit the runway? |
Possibly the crew decided to go around due to windshear, but got caught in it and hit the runway? |
AP report 282 passengers, 18 crew, no fatalities.
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@ImPlaneCrazy
Looks like they were evacuating people right next to the wing that exploded too - if indeed it was the wing, rather than the centre fuel tank exploding. Still can't believe everyone survived this. |
Which is the most important detail.
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If indeed it dropped like a rock from height > 100ft yet the cabin integrity was assured, all pax and crew evacuated .. Well.. god bless the engineers of this aircraft...
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Still can't believe everyone survived this. |
Originally Posted by daelight
(Post 9460464)
If indeed it dropped like a rock from height > 100ft yet the cabin integrity was assured, all pax and crew evacuated .. Well.. god bless the engineers of this aircraft...
Seems a solid old girl the 777 |
This is the ATC from the link above, very hard to hear much at all, other than EK521 clear to land (response from crew) |
Do we know (hopefully X infinity) that EVAC was complete?
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Originally Posted by susier
(Post 9460420)
From the AVHerald:
'According to ATC recordings the aircraft performed a normal approach and landing, there was no priority or emergency declared. Upon contacting tower tower reminded the crew of lowering the gear and cleared the aircraft to land. Another approach reported on tower frequency. About 2 minutes after EK-521 reported on tower tower instructed the aircraft to climb to 4000 feet (no go-around call heard from the crew), the crew acknowledged climbing to 4000 feet, a few seconds later tower instructs the next arrival to go around and alerts emergency services. The position of the aircraft is described near the end of the runway.'
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 9460441)
It is being reported elsewhere that the aircraft was instructed to go-around by ATC and the aircraft impacted the runway after the gear was retracted.
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Night turnaround. 4 hr sectors. Landing at 12:45pm local. Hmmm....
I would never have guessed anything could go wrong on one of those lovely Annex 1 flights. :yuk: |
That crew were on a 29 hour layover in TRV after deadheading over on the 2nd.
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Absolutely. The BA fuel-starvation crash always surprises me for the same reason. Seems a solid old girl the 777 |
Surface temperature 49degs, QNH 993 - what kind of density altitude is that? I'm not Triple7 qualified, but what are the operating limits for the type?
Add windshear, a go-around - that's an unfortunate mix. |
Heard from someone on the ramp that it appeared that the gear was down, aircraft touched down well after midpoint with very high nose up attitude and the other main collapsed on touch down. Very early to speculate but WS?
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Originally Posted by HeartyMeatballs
(Post 9460487)
All we need now is Alex Macheras using accidents for his own sickening self publicity, David Learmount talking rubbish and Geoffrey Thomas proclaiming how 'that would never happen to Qantas' and you have the complete post crash horror show of self proclaimed, self absorbed and self promoting 'experts' showing that they are anything but.
I watch Casualty. Surely that qualifies me to be a healthcare expert? |
Originally Posted by nolimitholdem
(Post 9460481)
Night turnaround. 4 hr sectors. Landing at 12:45pm local. Hmmm....
I would never have guessed anything could go wrong on one of those lovely Annex 1 flights. :yuk: |
Maybe it took them a little too long to figure out what the GPWS was on about at 500 feet.
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Any chance that we just wait a little bit and find out what happened before we start throwing the stones? But if troff is correct, not a factor in this accident. Good to hear. |
Aviation Herald report:-
3rd July 2016 10:37Z An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777-300, registration A6-EMW performing flight EK-521 from Thiruvananthapuram (India) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates) with 275 people on board, was on final approach to Dubai's runway 12L at 12:41L (08:41Z) but attempted to go around from low height. The aircraft however did not climb, but after retracting the gear touched down on the runway and burst into flames. Passengers are being reported evacuated and safe. The aircraft burned down completely.
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Originally Posted by AngloFrench
(Post 9460504)
Aviation Herald report:-
Also reported Wind shear, dust clouds on approach, 11kt tailwind. Still amazed everyone is ok - every airline should get some 777's in there fleet! New photo - still going down runway https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co7iMGNWcAAVs_7.jpg |
NB the 275 pob figure was revised to 282+18, so the rest of the AH report may be similarly flawed.
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I wonder where Aviation Herald got their info from?
....attempted to go around from low height. The aircraft however did not climb, but after retracting the gear touched down on the runway and burst into flames... gear up before positive rate of climb? If that's right, then surely that's wrong. |
49° were measured after the incident happened I guess
SP 03/08/2016 10:48-> SPECI OMDB 031048Z VRB06KT 6000 NSC 41/24 Q0992 WS ALL RWY TEMPO= SA 03/08/2016 10:00-> METAR OMDB 031000Z 11018KT 5000 BLDU NSC 49/05 Q0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 1500= SA 03/08/2016 09:00-> METAR OMDB 030900Z 11021KT 3000 BLDU NSC 49/07 Q0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 1500= SA 03/08/2016 08:00-> METAR OMDB 030800Z 14012KT 100V180 6000 NSC 48/09 Q0994 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 4000 DU= SP 03/08/2016 07:49-> SPECI OMDB 030749Z 14012KT 110V180 6000 NSC 47/09 Q0994 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 4000 DU= SA 03/08/2016 07:00-> METAR OMDB 030700Z 06007KT 360V100 8000 NSC 44/10 Q0995 NOSIG= |
Originally Posted by Masagemarad
(Post 9460526)
Emirates really show its true colors now with its top notch training department !!!! WTF
They did a job to be proud of Today. What happened up front we will find out in time but I don't think the CC's actions can be criticized in any way given the outcome. |
Surface temperature 49degs, QNH 993 - what kind of density altitude is that? |
282+18 reported - is 16 CC (I guess this was a 2 pilot flight ?) typical ?
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troppo: poor hoss might have got an unwarranted flaming We will never know as my perfectly reasonable analysis of visual clues was deleted. My point was - it does not look like a gear collapse as first reported, rather a gear-up landing, which has now been reported. Thank you over-zealous mods. |
Avionyx,
You are quite right about the cc crew actions. They also saved the pax.( all of them), in YYZ a few years ago. I find that many of my colleagues are quick to speak in a derogatory manner about the cc, belittle their roles, question their abilities. When the real test came in the aforementioned accidents, they not only rose to the challenge, but shone! As a soon to retire Professional Pilot of 29 years, ( 1 to go), I have nothing but respect for their abilities in these incredibly difficult situations. Not to mention, what they put up with during the course of their regular work. |
When I saw the pressure, temp 49deg, and the tailwind .......I'm so glad it ended ok
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I sure hope there wasn't any Live Animals in the hold.
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I wonder where Aviation Herald got their info from? Good to see that log0008 and others still not crediting pictures.:= |
We all know fatigue is cumulative so the rosters for the previous 3 months would tell a better story.
Don't forget bunk time and ground duties on top of 100 hours a month. |
Can we stop with the tailwind? Landed on 12L @ 0841Z.
Wind @ 0800Z was 140/12 Varying 100 to 180. Wind at 0900Z was 110/21. So, predominantly from the SE with a bit of variation either side of the r/w axis. BUT with WS reported and circa 45 C and low QNH.... |
The words GoAround,Flapsxx, Gear Up might have been said but if the mode doesn't engage for whatever reason....... JetStar tried it and got away with it. Recognition of positive climb before the pilot selects the gear up works well.
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gear up before positive rate of climb? If that's right, then surely that's wrong.
Interested Passenger, FYI, in a G/A situation with W/S there is no configuration change till well clear of the W/S |
Crash of emirates 777
Yes.but something doesnt fit in because they are supposed to retract the gear only after a positive rate of climb is verified.
And plus,if they attempted go around and still hit the ground that might mean that they stalled out or didnt follow correct procedures |
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