PASSPORTS:
Stolen passports can be used by government agencies: (if you can't bothered to read it all, just read para 2): Assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I'm not suggesting that Mossad agents were on the flight, simply pointing out that lost passports can end up in the strangest places and be used for nefarious purposes. |
Could somebody explain how contaminated fuel could result in the loss of an aircraft from cruise altitude with no comms?
Sure, put simply, it couldn't. Sleep well!! |
Contaminated fuel doesn't make an airliner fall out of the sky, this is a case of a sudden catastrophic event !
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Horrific..... The suddenness and the altitude of the occurrence...... It does remind me of China Airlines Flght 611.
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Based on the Vietnamese website photos, there is a large tract, perhaps 60x50nm roughly centered on the IGARI waypoint on M765 airway.
Perhaps the initial search area. |
... radar contact was lost ... |
My gut tells me this aircraft has had an instantaneous, catastrophic structural failure or in flight breakup. The similarities to PA103, AI, UTA, TWA and the list goes on are unerringly similar. Just leave the aviat, nav comm aside for a moment.
I hope and pray the poor soles on board didn't know too much about it. God we are lucky we only die once. May they rest in peace. If there are any perpetrators, may they rot in hell. |
My thoughts exactly so I womdered why QFBUSBOY had quoted that as a line of enquiry.
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A second point... given that this was on an IFR route, surely the wreckage can be found by flying the same route at 2000 ft, at 100kts? i believe AF447 had turned 180 degrees by the time of impact |
On the other hand, in previous acts of aviation terrorism were false or stolen identity documents used? . Yes, they were |
Ok, does it follow that statistically, those traveling on false passports in an aircraft that has crashed are likely to be involved in its demise? |
Wing flutter?
TWT ASN and BEA say it was 9M-MRO that sustained wingtip damage at Shanghai-Pudong ASN Aircraft accident 09-AUG-2012 Airbus A340-642 B-6050 ASN Aircraft accident 09-AUG-2012 Airbus A340-642 B-6050 Interesting. If the wing-tip repair was not adequate, a poorly repaired wingtip that started to fail could cause an awful lot of wing-flutter. I have only experienced wing-flutter on a glider, just for a few seconds (too much play on the aileron circuit), but it is nasty. It could easily pull an aircraft apart in minutes. |
Any truth to the supposed Mayday Call put out?
Some of the darker parts of the Net in areas of Defence are saying a call from the aircraft was picked up with something like .......... "Cabin disintegrating ..... Forced landing ........?
Just another innuendo to muddy the waters but does make a bit of sense ..... maybe, perhaps! |
No ELT signal ???
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The wingtip repairs are unlikely to be a factor, the aircraft has been back in service for around a year, any problems would have shown up earlier.
We can probably also discount terrorists, someone would have claimed responsiblity by now. |
... saying a call from the aircraft was picked up ... |
My gut tells me this aircraft has had an instantaneous, catastrophic structural failure or in flight breakup. The similarities to PA103, AI, UTA, TWA and the list goes on are unerringly similar. Just leave the aviat, nav comm aside for a moment. Now... IM NOT saying that is what happened here at all. But an almost instantaneous 20G acceleration is not good for anything...... but the reason i mention it is that the test pilot didn't get a distress call in and there was in instant loss of telemetry. |
hum...Passsport stolen indeed.
Ok, if we suppose terrorism for exemple, then why attacking a Malaysian a/c ? It is often related to politics issues so...I don't see the point if we suppose that. |
Just google " Christian Kozel Austrian " or " Luigi Maraldi Italian " and specify results from the last 24 hrs
Both had their passports stolen in Thailand, both were not on the flight in question, there stolen passports were used to board MH370 |
Source for stolen passports also confirmed by relevant embassies in some MSM.
Italian passport belonged to 37 year old male, stolen August 2013, his parents have confirmed story also. Austrian passport belonged to 30 year old male, stolen 2 years ago. Both stolen in Thailand. Greenlights - Ok, if we suppose terrorism for exemple, then why attacking a Malaysian a/c ? It is often related to politics issues so...I don't see the point if we suppose that. |
If you had your passport stolen, wouldn't you report it to your authorities especially if the passport was stolen whilst you were abroad? If not, how else would you leave the country?
If you have reported it, then the passport would then have been cancelled. Can a cancelled passport not be picked up by border control officers at International immigration? If not, then we have a major flaw in the aviation security system which needs fixing immediately. In the meantime, we have aviation security officers continuing to confiscate nail clippers and bottles of water at the boarding gate thinking this prevents global terrorism. :rolleyes: |
could these just be from tankers?? ships etc?
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Italian passport belonged to 37 year old male, stolen August 2013, his parents have confirmed story also. Austrian passport belonged to 30 year old male, stolen 2 years ago. Both stolen in Thailand. could these just be from tankers?? ships etc? |
Anyone know who the US passengers were? Just wondering if any relevance.
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As far as i know, there is no Global database for stolen passports. Only the country which issued the passport can identify a passport as stolen.
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From Sky News:
"The two parallel slicks - both between 10 miles (16km) and 12 miles (19km) long and 500 metres apart - were seen by two Vietnamese air force jets off the south coast of Vietnam." "A Vietnamese government statement said they were consistent with the kind of spills caused by fuel from a crashed airliner. Rescue boats are being sent to the area from the nearby island of Phu Quoc to look for survivors." Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Crashes Near Vietnam' |
Originally Posted by LegallyBlonde
(Post 8359817)
Anyone know who the US passengers were? Just wondering if any relevance.
USA Today Breakdown of the nationalities on board Flight MH370 *The Americans were named as Nicole Meng, 4; Philip Wood, 51; and Yan Zhang, 2. |
Ships would be more likely to dump sludge, bilge water with possibly some almost solid heavy fuel oil, and used lubricants.
Jet fuel is very different. Experts will check this out, ships are on the way. To all the clowns who keep repeating "authorities should look at fr24" rest assured they know how to do their jobs. |
Anyone know who the US passengers were? Just wondering if any relevance. So apparently no relevance. |
For all we know the two false passport carriers might be some government's spooks entering China. Or illegal immigrants. Or something far more mundane.
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there is no Global database for stolen passports Because of this differing likelihood of getting caught, some passports are more prone to being stolen than others. |
@scoobys
Actually they would have had about 40,000kg's trip fuel for that routing last night which should have took 5 1/4 to 5 and 1/2 hours. Depending on Alternates - which are TIANJIN (ZBTJ) and Zhengding (ZBSJ) for Beijing your looking at another 10-15,000kgs in additional fuel after ALTN, FINAL, APU, TAXI, CONT and any Additional fuel the flight crew chose. Total's of around about 50-60,000kgs are correct. Your post was not helpful in the slightest, mine was responding to someone asking how much fuel they had on-board so based upon EU Operations you are looking at about 7 hours or so for a 5 and bit hours flight. So thank you for your kind "I am 21 year old and no nothing gesture" - it really helps this thread. |
oil slick
Does a modern jet like a 772 carry that much heavy "oil" - enough to form a slick 10-12 miles long? I can see it would have a lot of jet fuel, but what is the oil used for, apart from lubrication?
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Originally Posted by carlo321
(Post 8359796)
Can anyone explain to me why they are still using FDR's (designed in the 50's) that must be searched at the bottom of the oceans if such things go wrong ? Unbelievable !
2. Retrofitting all existing aircraft with new hardware to do so is expensive. 3. In a catastrophic failure, it's unlikely to help, because you need both power, and a working antenna pointed in roughly the right direction, to send useful information. 4. Privacy. The existing ACARS infrastructure already told us what happened to AF447, but only the cockpit voice recordings told us why. I'm guessing most crews wouldn't want everything they say on board sent to a remote database via satellite. It's certainly doable, but far from simple. |
Stolen Passports
Various people have said that a stolen passport is cancelled and therefore useless. Whilst this may be true of immigration checkpoints it would seem that other uses of the passport are still possible. When you present your passport at check in there may be no link to establish whether the passport is valid.
Just seen dk post. Apparently the only thing you cannot do with a stolen passport is enter the country that issued it. |
Just out of curiosity, while we all wait for the facts, has there ever been a proven case of an aircraft being hit by a meteorite??? |
Oil Spill
>>Oil Spill pictures
Thanks for those pics, but that looks like a common algal bloom to me. Used to see them all the time on inshore coastal work. Nothing like a refined avtur spill. And if this was a crash site, there would be cushons and seat squabs and all kinds of debris. Sorry, but this is not the crash site. Silver |
I think that's the point. There is no wreckage . As i said before, where the hell is it?
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