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mickjoebill
Radar detection of break-up - it depends on the radar equipment. If the equipment is a mix of Primary and Secondary radar then yes it is quite likely that a break-up can be seen ( as with Lockerbie Panam ). On the otherhand, if it is Secondary only then once power on board is lost the transponder response is also lost and until that time, the only radar return would be from the transponder irrespective of whether the airframe was intact or not... |
Training
Can anybody shed light on MH training on recovering from unusual attitudes? Cockpit resource management?
Air France Asiana appear to point to these very issues that contribute to an accident. As we know things to get out of hand very quickly regardless of the cause. |
Radar tracking aircraft break-up
Suggest people review China Airlines 611 accident. Taipei to Hong Kong about 10 years ago and TWA a bit earlier. Neither set of crew were able to make a mayday transmission. Both were under radar control.
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Yeah so? Both were catastrophic failures that rendered the crews disabled.
The Radars in Taiwan, China and Hong Kong that we're using "primary" skin paint returns would have seen the pieces large enough to reflect radar returns. What's your point? |
the principle objector to flt deck video recorders are the aircrew themselves. and live streaming a non starter for the same reasons.
Pilots Blast NTSB on Cockpit Video Cameras https://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/pr...ckpitVideo.htm |
An active radar could actually track down the aircraft path even with transponder OFF. The F/A18 Doppler radar can indeed see depict aircraft falling apart. I don't think a civil radar does. I wonder if the was no US Naval vessel sneaking around the area. For clarification, are both ATC, Malaysia and Vietnam only relying on Transponder?
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Suggest people review China Airlines 611 accident. Taipei to Hong Kong about 10 years ago and TWA a bit earlier. Neither set of crew were able to make a mayday transmission. Both were under radar control. |
The two tickets were issued by the Six Star Travel travel agency in Pattaya. It resides in the Central Festival building, the same as the Pattaya Hilton. Next to the Pattaya Police Station.
This does not mean the 2 suspects bought the ticket there, it is just the place of issue. |
Recent Etihad toilet fires
Was wondering if the recent spate of toilet fires on the flight from OZ to Mideast were a testing ground for something else that didn't work then, but it did this time. Both Muslim carriers, good airlines, and was wondering if any false passports were on the Etihad flight as well?? I'm just thinking out aloud......
Don't expect much from Malaysian damage control in handling this terrible situation, lived there 28 years and know how well they handle these and other issues, hopeless !!!!! |
This is all very strange.
A bomb seems the most plausible explanation, but that would produce a massive debris field on the ocean. As the debris fell, it would be a very strong return for primary radar, which seems to have been painting the a/c before the accident took place. I'm sure there will be news soon. |
Sorry, what I meant was that the video will be recorded (just like the VCR)...it will only be watched in case of an accident....but the recording will be at a location on earth.
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Flightradar24.com Here is a #MH370 situation update from Flightradar24 because of the many questions we get. The ADS-B transponder of an aircraft is transmitting data twice per second. FR24 saves data every 10-60 second depending on altitude. On cruising altitude data is normally saved once per 60 seconds. By analyzing all our databases and logs we have managed to recover about 2 signals per minute for the last 10 minutes. The last location tracked by Flightradar24 is Time UTC: 17:21:03 Lat: 6.97 Lon: 103.63 Alt: 35000 Speed: 471 knots Heading: 40 Between 17:19 and 17:20 the aircraft was changing heading from 25 to 40 degrees, which is probably completely according to flight plan as MH370 on both 4 March and 8 March did the same at the same position. Last 2 signals are both showing that the aircraft is heading in direction 40 degrees. Today there are reports in media that MH370 may have turned around. FR24 have not tracked this. This could have happened if the aircraft suddenly lost altitude as FR24 coverage in that area is limited to about 30000 feet. FR24 have not tracked any emergency squawk alerts for flight MH370 before we lost coverage of the aircraft. Playback for flight MH370 is available on Flights database - Flightradar24 Is it fair to conclude from the above then, that if your coverage was still functioning, that the aircraft descended from FL350 to below FL300 sufficiently quickly (less than 30 seconds) that there was no time for a further reading to be taken. The only other possible explanation is that the transponder stopped functioning. Or was switched off. |
A bomb seems the most plausible explanation, but that would produce a massive debris field on the ocean. If the plane exploded in 35'000 ft then the mass of debris would spread in a very large area. And remember Af447. The pieces were found, if I recall right my memory, more than 100 miles off the position where they were thinking of what Af447 position must have been. The debris drifted with the current. |
Why there was no data transmitted!
Hi all .
If it was terrorists ,here is what they did: Entered the flight-deck by force or for a visit by invitation of the crew at top of climb pluss a few minutes ,when coffe i provided . Then incapasitated the crew and did 3 things that takes 2 seconds: Firehandel 1 and 2 ,release and pull. Battery off.! This will shut down any and all transmissions from the aircraft in less then 10 secunds. Can any of you active 777 captains tell me I am wrong, but only if You know why,!? I shure hope this did not happened , but it explains the so called total loss of contact. If this is the case we are posible in for a new wave of terrorist cells that are hard to stop. |
As reported by many irritated professionals, this thread is unusual on this site for the sheer amount of amateur and extraneous speculation clogging it. However ; there's a reason for that. I've been lurking on this site for many years, only contributing to areas open to aviation enthusiasts, and never wanting to get in the way, and have watched carefully the reactions of professionals to many previous threads. The disproportionate non-expert response here seems to be precisely because of a spectacularly unusual lack of technical information for those with expertise to process in this timeframe.
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Originally Posted by Livesinafield
(Post 8361445)
privacy is an issue personally i wouldn't want a camera linked to a live feed to my ops watching my every move in the cockpit every time i was at work, also cabin cameras look at the privacy breach for 200+ passengers
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/wo...w-nytimes&_r=0
Read this article...two points 1) 2 people on an aircraft with stolen passports is rare (uncommon) 2) 5 ticketed passengers failed to board the flight and their luggage was removed (sounds like a lot of missed passengers) a diversion? |
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