According to a Thanh Nien report, a "composite inner wall window piece" would have been spotted by a Vietnamese marine police seaplane (the DHC-6?) at N473208 E1032226. The seaplane had to return [presumably due to nightfall.] The coordinate must be erroneous, but the description is the most fitting so far. Let's see if it holds. The news item said "the pilot could take pictures, but not clearly". Can you please provide a link to this information? |
Spicejetter, please explain how it is
a disgrace I think the SAR efforts are acceptable given the situation and the absolute lack of clues as to the whereabouts of the aircraft. |
Stop bagging pprune
There has been some good analysis, timely information and euradite comment on the forum.
Far more informative than the stale tripe being dished up by an ill informed, lazy and ignorant media. If you can't sort out what is worthwhile from what is not, then complainers should move on. No disrespect intended. |
Seems like the coordinates would be approximately:
N 18 40, E 107 40 |
The Vietnamese have said the yellow object found by the Singaporeans does not come from a 777.
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Oil slick -Red tide - Telemetry?
The BBC pics of possible oil skick looks more like red tidal algee. That frequents tropical waters due to warning oceans. Surely Boeing and Engine manufacturer would have recieved telemetry data?
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The only thing we know for sure is that the triple 7 is somewhere on planet earth, either in bits (more likely) or in one piece (very very unlikely)
Apparently no distress call was heard and it disappeared in next to no time. So what would bring down a large airliner with such rapidity that no distress call was made? Here are some options..whether they are applicable to this accident... i have no idea!!!!! 1) Shot down. This may account for the silence, confusion and/or lack of willingness to divulge too much information. 2) Mid Air collision. This is possible if it happened to be with a UAV in this case as there have been no reports of any other missing aircraft. 3) Structural Failure leading to in flight breakup. Another possibility such as a cargo door opening in the cruise or the loss (detachment) of a control surface maybe. Rupturing of a pressure bulkhead might have the same consequence as seen before or a few other possibilities...stress cracks etc. An initial failure would cause the crew to deal with the failure first, to bring the aircraft under control, this then may result in a manoeuvre to get back home... and then the secondary effects or additional breakup renders the aircraft uncontrollable. This may explain a non communication scenario as in Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Contrary to what non pilots may think... the first action of any pilot in a non normal event is to control the situation, not bang out a distress message, verbally or otherwise. 4) Flight Control Issue. Ive never flown a FBW aircraft so "put this out there" IF a control surface separated, what would the computers do? If the right aileron (high speed or low speed) detached, for example, during a left turn, how would the computers compensate? 5) Bomb on board. Again possible but difficult to do with the amount of security these days....but then how secure is this region? 6) Hi Jacking. Possible... especially if it was bungled and went wrong... such as a fight breaking out in the FD, AP tripped due to unintentional force applied on the stick... A/C goes off in its direction whilst the melee ensues and A/C hits the water. However the supposed communication with the aircraft might debunk this myth. 7) Crew incapacitation. This would only really be likely if another inexperienced or flightsim champion person tried to hand fly the aircraft instead. 8) Terrorist attack. In association with 6 above, Terrorist decides to commit suicide. Possible. He (she) gains access to FD, knock out Capt and F/O and push hard on the stick. 9) Crew Suicide. Possible but unlikely i would to suggest. Im sure there are a few more potential failures that would have the same effect. I think descending down to 500 feet and flying to some remote island to land is rather unlikely. I wouldn't want to do it during the day, let alone at night!!! |
CCTV - Bandwidth, economy
Fore those suggesting CCTV cockpit live streams, how on Earth would you transmit all the data? With an update rate of several/second in a resolution that gives some useful idea of the inner workings, in any lighting condition?
Advance of technology is all well, but it seems that even for a rather simple set of parameters only some of the possible transmissions are paid for by the airlines. |
Just a month ago, Interpol released:
INTERPOL’s Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database currently contains 40 million records from 167 countries. Though it was searched more than 800 million times in 2013, with the United Arab Emirates alone making one in every eight searches as the third largest user, Secretary General Noble said not enough countries are making use of this critical global policing tool. “The bad news is that, despite being incredibly cost effective and deployable to virtually anywhere in the world, only a handful of countries are systematically using SLTD to screen travellers. “The result is a major gap in our global security apparatus that is left vulnerable to exploitation by criminals and terrorists,” said Secretary General Noble. |
Seems like the coordinates would be approximately: N 18 40, E 107 40 Isn't that off the north Vietnam coast? Doesn't seem right. |
Martin,
For clarification, are both ATC, Malaysia and Vietnam only relying on Transponder? |
However, flying at 500 metres (1500 ft) or lower, the crew judged the slick not to be oil.
Originally Posted by Capt Groper
The BBC pics of possible oil skick looks more like red tidal algee
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Barrel owl
Links to Dantri and Thanh Nien
Here's a map of the most interesting sightings so far. The red pins are from today. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20140309B6.jpg Keep in mind that as far as I'm aware, there is still no confirmation that any of this (except the last known position) would belong to MH370. Patience... |
N 18 40, E 107 40 Isn't that off the north Vietnam coast? Doesn't seem right. Appears to be right in the middle of china.... |
Malaysia DCA is leading the SAR.
Singapore only assisting with assets. |
Freescale Semiconductor managers on board
About 20 top management employees from semiconductor company Freescale Semiconductor (with HQ in Austin, TX,) were among 38 Malaysians onboard MAS flight MH370.
Read full article here: |
primary radar is used for approach control, eg at VVTS, but not built to cover entire oceans. |
@ snowfalcon2
Thanks a lot for the infos and the screenshot.
Yes, no confirmed debris so far, only suspicious objects spotted. |
Submarines to search? :rolleyes: sure, the sonar may yield something but it's got to be a WTF moment here! Even if they find something, surely they won't be surfacing and collecting the debris.
Sure hope it isn't an opportunity to go to where they normally don't get to go... |
No Submarines involved.
Learn to filter out the BS. |
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