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simsam 20th Mar 2014 05:12

If this is the missing airplane will Australia be responsible for doing the investigations?

LFRT 20th Mar 2014 05:13

"Merchant" vessel
 
HANG SHENG 1 Current position (IMO N/A MMSI 413501228) - Vessel Finder

It's the same one we were following some days ago, the miraculous 50-knots sailing cargo ship.

Well, i guess everyone got its share of the fallen cake. And ours is utter rubbish

NobodyIsHome 20th Mar 2014 05:14

P-8A range
 
Deployed US Navy P8-A search on site is 250-270knots @ 5,000
range of 1,200 miles with 4 hours on site.
From Perth


http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=79729

Perth_WA 20th Mar 2014 05:14

Search operation for Malaysian airlines aircraft: Update 6
 
Media Enquiries: 1300 624 633
20th March, 2014: 1530 (AEDT)
Search operation for Malaysian airlines aircraft: Update 6
Statement from AMSA Emergency Response Division General Manager John Young
* All times will be expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority is coordinating the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, with assistance from the Australian Defence Force, the New Zealand Air Force and the United States Navy.
AMSA’s Rescue Coordination Centre Australia has received satellite imagery of objects possibly related to the search for the missing aircraft, flight MH370.

RCC Australia received an expert assessment of commercial satellite imagery on Thursday.

The images were captured by satellite. They may not be related to the aircraft.

The assessment of these images was provided by the Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation as a possible indication of debris south of the search area that has been the focus of the search operation.
The imagery is in the vicinity of the search area defined and searched in the past two days.

Four aircraft have been reoriented to the area 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth as a result of this information.

A Royal Australian Air Force Orion aircraft arrived in the area about 1.50pm.

A further three aircraft have been tasked by RCC Australia to the area later today, including a Royal New Zealand Air Force Orion and United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft.

The Poseidon aircraft is expected to arrive at 3pm. The second RAAF Orion is expected to depart RAAF Base Pearce at 6pm.

The New Zealand Orion is due to depart at 8pm.

A RAAF C-130 Hercules aircraft has been tasked by RCC Australia to drop datum marker buoys.

These marker buoys assist RCC Australia by providing information about water movement to assist in drift modelling. They will provide an ongoing reference point if the task of relocating the objects becomes protracted.
A merchant ship that responded to a shipping broadcast issued by RCC Australia on Monday is expected to arrive in the area about 6pm.

Royal Australian Navy ship HMAS Success is en route to the area but is some days away from this area. She is well equipped to recover any objects located and proven to be from MH370.

The focus for AMSA is to continue the search operation, with all available assets.

The assets are searching for anything signs of the missing aircraft.
Weather conditions are moderate in the Southern Indian Ocean where the search is taking place. Poor visibility has been reported.
AMSA continues to hold grave concerns for the passengers and crew on board.

E: [email protected]
Media materials are available in electronic form here:
AMSA :: Australian Maritime Safety Authority

imaynotbeperfect 20th Mar 2014 05:15

HMAS Success en route
 
HMAS Success last seen on the AIS 17 hrs ago steaming at 17kts on a course of 243 degrees.

I guess that's limit range for the AUS West coast receiving station

Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions - AIS Marine Traffic

rampstriker 20th Mar 2014 05:18


The Chinese ship was there way before anyone else ??????
What did they know that no one else did ?

I guess they had Satellites like the US has.
The Inmarsat ping data had to have been shared with the Chinese "officially" so they could do the Northern search.

Andu 20th Mar 2014 05:19


It's highly unlikely that the wings would survive contact with the sea intact. Indeed, for either or both of them to be floating, they would have to have been sheared from the fuselage.
I'd have to disagree with the first part of that comment. (And not so much with the second.) The engine pods would quite possibly shear off, and in doing so, might possibly shear at least one wing off. (If there was any sort of swell running at the time of ditching, the most skilled pilot would be hard-pressed to stop one wing digging in to the water while the aircraft was still at a considerable speed - and (see below), there is film in existence to show that that can turn the alighting into a rather violent affair.)

However, most reading here will have seen the Ethiopian 767 ditching in the shallows off the Comorres. There's every likelihood that a wing has remained in one piece, and with its fuel tanks empty, (as they would almost certainly be if it the MAS 777's wing), it would float on or immediately under the surface for quite some time.

Capt Kremin 20th Mar 2014 05:19

If the wreckage is found in the Australian FIR then they will lead the investigation.

500N 20th Mar 2014 05:20

A good summary in point form of the news conference here
as well as the tasking of the Aust, US and NZ aircraft.


Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Debris found in search for MH370, says Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott

Yawn 20th Mar 2014 05:20

The professionalism of AMSA, 10 and 11 SQNs makes you feel good to be an Aussie.

A country of 23m people looking after over 10% of the Earth's surface.


https://www.operations.amsa.gov.au/S...2015%3A40%3A48

Oz and NZ P3s and US P-8....Fincastle 2014.

500N 20th Mar 2014 05:21

Is it in Australias FIR ?

Anyone know ?

Looks like it but don't know where the line stops.

Space Jet 20th Mar 2014 05:24

How big was Abby Sunderlands yacht?

I think she abandoned her yacht around there.

Neogen 20th Mar 2014 05:24

What all countries have deployed their P3s and P8s?

That would really be a heck of coordination for Aussies..

Capt Kremin 20th Mar 2014 05:29


How big was Abby Sunderlands yacht?

I think she abandoned her yacht around there.
In June 2010. Almost fours years ago.

Mesoman 20th Mar 2014 05:31

Coordination likely not a problem
 

What all countries have deployed their P3s and P8s?

That would really be a heck of coordination for Aussies..
I doubt it. Both aircraft types are US Navy types and the OZ and NZ crew probably trained at US Navy facilities (we trained them decades ago on older P-3's).

They are also all operating from the same airfield, so are probably attending joint briefings and being briefed by the same folks.

They are also native English speakers (well, OZ, well, sure :8) which helps.

I doubt they will have any trouble at all.

500N 20th Mar 2014 05:33

What all countries have deployed their P3s and P8s?

That would really be a heck of coordination for Aussies.. "


Strongly disagree.

This is a piece of piss for the RAAF, they are after all a professional lot who do this often, as well as work with NZ and the US, the providers of the other aircraft. The fact they re tasked a C-130 that quick to fly out and drop buoys says a lot, they obviously had the finger on the button.

Australia is not Malaysia and Aus has done this heaps of times before, including in war zones for the last 10 years.

mickjoebill 20th Mar 2014 05:33

Debris was described as awash and bobbing.
The Oz Orions have FLIR and visible spectrum nose camera.


Very little shipping activity in this part of the world for thousands of miles…
Apart from the Hang Seng 1
HANG SHENG 1 Current position (IMO N/A MMSI 413501228) - Vessel Finder

51 33 16.8 South 92 35 56.2 EAST
Note that the above info may be bogus as it does not appear in some databases

Perhaps this is the commercial vessel that will be on scene in a few hours?


Piece of piss for the RAAF, they are after all a professional lot who do this often,
Indeed and plenty of recent experience searching for illegal immigrants "boat people" to the North


Mickjoebill

Neogen 20th Mar 2014 05:33

Cumulative Search so far
 
Cumulative search so far:

http://i.imgur.com/uuuP1BD.png

Day 3 seems to be precise than day 1 & 2.

harrryw 20th Mar 2014 05:35

@Mesoman.
I believe they have given some of your navy submarines surprises in exercises too.
I notice nothing is said about the extensive sonar type stuff in the area from both Australia and US.
My bet is this would be more signifigent than OTHR.

Foxxster 20th Mar 2014 05:36

Just an aside re the Orion that is on station now. Apparently it is full of media as they were being taken up to get some standard search and rescue footage. Just coincidence that the possible debris was found as they were on way.


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