:mad: someone filmed the crash from their car:

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Certainly was moving. Incredible film. Lucky drivers.

Landing on 20.10.2012 in Novosibirsk Tu-204 "Red Wings" RA-64049, 60 pax + 10 crew:

Touchdown somewhere in the middle of 3600m runway - WOW switch on the left main gear is frozen, so reversers don't deploy. PNF continues to pull reverse lever to MAX REVERSE and applies so many force, that brakes the mechanical part, which blocks the engine power from rising higher than IDLE, when reverse is deployed. The power on one of the engine rises up to 86% MAX. Flight engineer doesn't notice that reverse not deployed and the rising of one of the engines' power. PF all the time applies all brakes, including parking brake. Aircraft stopped 300-350m after the runway threshold in deep snow with all wheels damaged.

This time not so lucky.

Nah - I've already stuck my oar in once. I may pop in once or twice if there's any information I can provide (or any glaring misinformation that needs clarifying), but I'm done with the hamster wheel for now. :ok:

EDIT : I did reply once more - I hope I don't have to again.

Why the rage? It's clearly a car's dash cam (increasingly common & often used to help with insurance claim issues) & it's not like they expected the crash to happen right next to them is it...?

My expletive was censored by the moderators. I wasn't enraged, just shocked and disturbed.

Looking at the distance covered by the bouncing tyre vs the light poles along the road does seem to indicate a very high speed during roll-out.

One poster already mentioned reverser anomalies in a past accident and I seem to recall A TAM (?) accident in Brazil that had some similar but not identical ingredients.

no doubt IGH will be along to flush this (my memory) out.

There are a few frames with the aircraft visible on the right to make a better estimate of its speed just prior to impact.

That must have been the most lucky of Russian drivers. Do most Russians go around with a video camera? By the engine sounds on the clip it wasn't TOGA but perhaps the 29kts crosswinds twas a factor in the crash.

Thats some really good vid of a really bad event. Lucky that sucker didn't blow flaming fuel everywhere.

A lot of Russian cars have dashcams to combat things like insurance fraud (guys throwing themselves onto your hood and claiming that you hit them), or simply to assert fault in accidents (there are many in Russia). Most cars have them nowadays.

Crew positioning flight, very relaxed maybe too relaxed, where were the crew sat, maybe in the flightdeck, which seat?

sops right out of the window, maybe showing off

time will tell!

You have no idea that either of those things was a factor do you?

By the sounds inside the car from about 100 m from where that part of the crash can be seen, and you can distinguish the 'planes engine noise....? really...?

Could be true about their Sukhoi SSJ-100 but not those Tupolevs. With SSJ at least there is a long list of western parts suppliers who delivered whole subsystems. Tu-204 is still pretty much a completely domestic Russian project, it is enough to look at its clunky cockpit with poor displays and awkward knobs, etc. Some Tu-204 were supposed to be available with western engines but I think it was the limit of western involvement, the aircraft is a dud in the marketplace.

good morning just seen the video on sky news

the car drivers clip clearly shows a passenger 3-seat unit flying across the road...
some major amount of energy still dissipating there when the a/c stopped...

i wonder what speed the a/c was still going at when it hit the bank?

if the a/c was full the pax casualties would have been considerable with
many impact related injuries akin to British Midland 737-400 at Kegworth.

is the 757 also when empty, a bit of a slippery handful to land?

It was a Tupolev 204...

after previous incident with Tu-204 that suffered frozen WoW sensors, russian aviation authority РосАвиация (RusAviation Agency) issued a directive. It said that on all Tu-204 there must be performed unscheduled procedure regarding lubrication of some parts of gear on the type. The scheme was attached to that directive showing where and how this maintenance operation needs to be performed.

I think the clue was in the question - is the 757 also slippery to land. We've discussed the Tu 204 involved in this incident can be, so rog was just wondering if the 757 is also difficult to land, being the 'western' equivalent of the Tu ;)