bmi moves to Belfast Harbour
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"can't wait to see the A321 trying to get in/out of BHD!"
Boys boys boys how many times have i to tell you,performance on the bus going into BHD is not a problem.
I tell you what come over in october and i'll show you the perf. book
Read it and weep
Rgds K.I.L.
Boys boys boys how many times have i to tell you,performance on the bus going into BHD is not a problem.
I tell you what come over in october and i'll show you the perf. book
Read it and weep
Rgds K.I.L.
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Have fun BMI mates with BHD, despite having a brand new terminal they have not spent out on taxiways and a huge backtrack for 22 departure is still required. The runway is as rough as a badgers bum to say the very least and not drained well.
We on the CRJ at British European are very very careful here as there is no room for error.We rarely flex and on the occasions we do I often wonder if we could stop when the other seat calls V1.
Also the departures are very busy with a stop at 3000ft to stay below BFS traffic and a noise abatement procedure like BHX - designed not to fly over the wealthy folks houses!. The early track change after T/O from 04 is an example. The SID's date back to BHD's turboprop origins and neeed a change. That apart the ATC are very friendly and handling is very good - enjoy.
We on the CRJ at British European are very very careful here as there is no room for error.We rarely flex and on the occasions we do I often wonder if we could stop when the other seat calls V1.
Also the departures are very busy with a stop at 3000ft to stay below BFS traffic and a noise abatement procedure like BHX - designed not to fly over the wealthy folks houses!. The early track change after T/O from 04 is an example. The SID's date back to BHD's turboprop origins and neeed a change. That apart the ATC are very friendly and handling is very good - enjoy.
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Never mind departures even with 04 up the lough and a tailwind. What about that nice short landing - hope the thrust reversers and brakes are good on the A321, and that the runway is always bare and dry. I seem to recall that JEA had a little mishap with a 146 there a while back on a wet runway. Hope the bmi boys don't land long - at least there's not a petrol station at the end of the runway as Southwest discovered at Burbank. The safety margin of error is surely reduced when you are used to having 2800 metres to play with and a CAT3b ILS as opposed to 1760m and an uncategorised/almost CAT 1 at BHD.
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Announced on their website... its true...
Another pain in the side for JY... Thats another very profitable market they had all to themselves gone down the plug hole.
[ 02 August 2001: Message edited by: Copenhagen ]
Another pain in the side for JY... Thats another very profitable market they had all to themselves gone down the plug hole.
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bmi british midland announces major initiative for Northern Ireland travellers
bmi british midland has demonstrated its commitment to air travellers in Northern Ireland with the announcement of a major upgrading of facilities with the transfer of bmi services to Belfast City Airport. The move to the City Airport will also provide greater choice for travellers to London Heathrow from Belfast.
With the start of the carrier’s winter timetable on 28 October 2001, bmi customers will be able to take advantage of the new purpose built state-of-the art terminal facilities at Belfast City Airport. An investment programme over the coming years will see the development of additional facilities, including lounges, tailored specifically to meet the future needs of bmi travellers.
Austin Reid, chief executive officer, bmi british midland said:
"Air travel remains extremely competitive and we have for some time been looking at ways of upgrading and improving our services for our customers in and out of Northern Ireland.
“We believe that our move to Belfast City Airport will provide us with all of the opportunities we need to give travellers the highest levels of service. We will also now be able to offer the consumer a greater choice when flying to London Heathrow. The location of the airport and its proximity to where our customers originate gives it tremendous appeal, which we anticipate will also attract an even greater number of passengers to bmi. Motorways and public transport also make access to the airport extremely good.
"Nearly 70 percent of all of the passengers flying to Heathrow choose to fly with us, so it is vital that we take into account their future needs. The investment programme we are committing to, in partnership with the airport, will enable us to do just that. They will be able to enjoy the very best both on the ground and in the air."
All staff employed by bmi british midland at Belfast International Airport will be transferring to the airline's new home at Belfast City Airport, where work is set to commence in time for the transfer of services on 28 October 2001.
bmi british midland has demonstrated its commitment to air travellers in Northern Ireland with the announcement of a major upgrading of facilities with the transfer of bmi services to Belfast City Airport. The move to the City Airport will also provide greater choice for travellers to London Heathrow from Belfast.
With the start of the carrier’s winter timetable on 28 October 2001, bmi customers will be able to take advantage of the new purpose built state-of-the art terminal facilities at Belfast City Airport. An investment programme over the coming years will see the development of additional facilities, including lounges, tailored specifically to meet the future needs of bmi travellers.
Austin Reid, chief executive officer, bmi british midland said:
"Air travel remains extremely competitive and we have for some time been looking at ways of upgrading and improving our services for our customers in and out of Northern Ireland.
“We believe that our move to Belfast City Airport will provide us with all of the opportunities we need to give travellers the highest levels of service. We will also now be able to offer the consumer a greater choice when flying to London Heathrow. The location of the airport and its proximity to where our customers originate gives it tremendous appeal, which we anticipate will also attract an even greater number of passengers to bmi. Motorways and public transport also make access to the airport extremely good.
"Nearly 70 percent of all of the passengers flying to Heathrow choose to fly with us, so it is vital that we take into account their future needs. The investment programme we are committing to, in partnership with the airport, will enable us to do just that. They will be able to enjoy the very best both on the ground and in the air."
All staff employed by bmi british midland at Belfast International Airport will be transferring to the airline's new home at Belfast City Airport, where work is set to commence in time for the transfer of services on 28 October 2001.
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As Copenhagen says.... OUCH for Jy /BE!! now let me think, travel in a shiny spacious 321 or a 20 yr old air france couloured 146...Hmmmmm!! BHD to LCY couldbe in trouble.
I guess the competition may wake BE up mind you (EXT that is )
I guess the competition may wake BE up mind you (EXT that is )
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I was down at BHD the other day. Seen the markings on the stands for the A320. First impression was NO WAY! How are they going to get A320's in and out of BHD without killing everyone in the process. You are right about the fragile terminal. I remember the days when BHD was just a one room shead with a couple of desks. Mind you that was only six months ago (heh) so so its been worse in the past. Good to see the new terminal up and running and a nice new website too. Someone's been spending money. I have just one question though. How come its not listed as a customs airport? Since they are doing international flights to CDG they must have customs no????
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Oh yes and one other thing. How come we dont have a belfast city flying club yet??? Would be handy instead of trapsing out the newtownards or aldergrove all the time.. Possible investment opportunity there for any one with the cash to spend.
Happy Flying.
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Captain-Ireland says re BHD's new terminal - "someones been spending some money!"
- yes Bombardier of Canada who own the airport upgraded the place as part of the CRJ and Dash 8/200,300,400 deal paid for by good old British European, who this year awarded the staff a 0% payrise because they are skint!
note: Bombardier purchased the aerodrome from Shorts some years ago with a clause that no aircraft would ever be final assembled at that location after the last Tucanno flew the nest! - what ever happened to made in Great Britain?
- yes Bombardier of Canada who own the airport upgraded the place as part of the CRJ and Dash 8/200,300,400 deal paid for by good old British European, who this year awarded the staff a 0% payrise because they are skint!
note: Bombardier purchased the aerodrome from Shorts some years ago with a clause that no aircraft would ever be final assembled at that location after the last Tucanno flew the nest! - what ever happened to made in Great Britain?
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bmi must have done their homework on this one so I don't think this constant reference to A321s into BHD is an issue. However, I do think it is a risk moving to an airport with such limited landing facilities. Aldergrove's CAT III sees a fair bit of use during the winter months.
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I think the move is great news for everyone, except the greedy bu&&ers at TBI, the owners of BFS.
BFS has become nothing more than a shopping mall, with zig-zagging corridors forcing people through shops, and of course, with the expansion of the low cost operators, the whole Airport has become more like a Sunday market.
It's only a matter of time until BA relocate lock, stock and barrel to BHD and I am sure the runway and instrument facilities will be updated as required.
On the subject of low vis, rtemember that BHD sits at sea level where as BFS is 250ft up, at the bottom of a basin. Therefore BHD is much less affected over the winter months than BFS.
BFS has become nothing more than a shopping mall, with zig-zagging corridors forcing people through shops, and of course, with the expansion of the low cost operators, the whole Airport has become more like a Sunday market.
It's only a matter of time until BA relocate lock, stock and barrel to BHD and I am sure the runway and instrument facilities will be updated as required.
On the subject of low vis, rtemember that BHD sits at sea level where as BFS is 250ft up, at the bottom of a basin. Therefore BHD is much less affected over the winter months than BFS.
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I notice that the press release gave no details of EMA-BFS, which must surely be switching to BHD as a result? Also, no details of new MAN/LBA-BHD routes which you'd think would also have been mentioned -if they were happening?
Finally, it's interesting that the press release quotes that bmi's share of the BFS-LHR market as 70%. With this equating to over 700k pax per year, I can't imagine TBI are too chuffed about the move!
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Finally, it's interesting that the press release quotes that bmi's share of the BFS-LHR market as 70%. With this equating to over 700k pax per year, I can't imagine TBI are too chuffed about the move!
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Seems like good news for BHD.
As to the debate regarding the ability of an airbus getting into the city, I would imagine it is something that has been carefully considered by BMI. There definitely is not the same margin for error at BHD
Jacksman, that is not entirely true - Bombardier purchased Short Brothers plc from the British government in the late 80's, with the airport being part of Shorts. Shorts is now a division of Bombardier Aerospace.
Captain Ireland - the flying club is a good idea and probably would be operationally feasible considering the UAS operated from there until it closed in the mid 90's (not sure exactly but I started UUJ in 1995 and was told that there would be no further intakes to the squadron).
Good Luck!
As to the debate regarding the ability of an airbus getting into the city, I would imagine it is something that has been carefully considered by BMI. There definitely is not the same margin for error at BHD
Jacksman, that is not entirely true - Bombardier purchased Short Brothers plc from the British government in the late 80's, with the airport being part of Shorts. Shorts is now a division of Bombardier Aerospace.
Captain Ireland - the flying club is a good idea and probably would be operationally feasible considering the UAS operated from there until it closed in the mid 90's (not sure exactly but I started UUJ in 1995 and was told that there would be no further intakes to the squadron).
Good Luck!