bmi moves to Belfast Harbour
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A slight problem has come to light in the fact that the 320 has a max landing weight of about 54K into the Harbour on a wet, gusty day (more than 10kts gust)with the OEB in force for the ELACs. With a typical dry weight of 45K and 2 tons of fuel remaining on landing, this leaves room for only about 70 pax! 
Dr Spin, thats good news indeed, perhaps they will put a 73 on it and leave us bus drivers to go somewhere warm and sunny like Madrid or Rome. As one of the people who is going to have to fly the new route I have to say I think our company has flipped it's lid. We must be bloody mad!.
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Right some of you I know quite well and some of you I don't know and to be quite honest, i'm not so impressed with you jumping on the BHD Bandwagon. Firstly, for all of us past and present the harbour airport is a demanding field at the best of times. It is this type of app and landing that for the most of us is the reason we enjoy operating the machines we drive so much. But on a dirty and wet night no matter what transport your looking out of for 22......you surely need your wits about you. Yes its true that the bus is a large transport that somehow won't look comfortable at the harbour. The facts speak, the figures are in, the 321 can respectfully carry its load in and out with a fine temperate flex thanks to those V25 engines. Furthermore to our debate, how many fine operators operated daily into Hong Kong's Kai Tak for decades without any major operating problems. And to add, thankfully our professional training and turbo experience boasts better odd's than that of some of our foreign conterparts. The real bitterness that shows here is that of some people feel that there lime light at the city is under review and understandably so and also their security...........
We're all on the same playing field whilst maybe on different teams.........
Lets get on with it... 22 at the city son!
We're all on the same playing field whilst maybe on different teams.........
Lets get on with it... 22 at the city son!
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Interesting about Kai-Tak - look what they did there. They closed it down because it became - environmentally unacceptable and couldn't grow any further. Funny old thing thing Chep Lap Kok is built outside the town.
No matter how good you are surely, the margin for error is reduced when you there's only an un-categorised ILS, preferential (tailwind) 04 departures, numerous obstructions and a greasy old <1800m concrete runway. Size matters - 2800m and CAT3B must improve your chances on a grobbly night.
From the sentiment of the locals in down town Belfast they'd rather see "those big aeroplanes" out of town too - check out the recent editions of the Belfast Telegraph.
No matter how good you are surely, the margin for error is reduced when you there's only an un-categorised ILS, preferential (tailwind) 04 departures, numerous obstructions and a greasy old <1800m concrete runway. Size matters - 2800m and CAT3B must improve your chances on a grobbly night.
From the sentiment of the locals in down town Belfast they'd rather see "those big aeroplanes" out of town too - check out the recent editions of the Belfast Telegraph.
Pardon my misunderstanding if there is one but isn't the runway at Belfast City the same length (give or take) as that at Aberdeen. The latter frequently handles aircraft up to A320/B757 size without (seemingly) any problem.
With this in mind what is the problem at BHD?
With this in mind what is the problem at BHD?
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Doors to Automatic is very correct, I reckon this debate goes further than just BMI deciding to operate into BHD, like you say though there should be no problem with them operating in and out of BHD.
I worked there for 5 months and if there was one thing I reckon they could do to help all is to put parallel taxiways in because, what a pain in the arse it is if you are using 22 with a couple of inbounds having to vacate onto the GA parking area!
I worked there for 5 months and if there was one thing I reckon they could do to help all is to put parallel taxiways in because, what a pain in the arse it is if you are using 22 with a couple of inbounds having to vacate onto the GA parking area!
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Londongoodevening..
There is no bitterness shown from the drivers of the wee fat jet at BHD. BMI Can not threaten their job security any more than their own company already has. Most of them are trying to escape to the big airport or have already done so. As for performance..well that's all well and good but as you know when 22 is wet it can be as slippy as a oil slick in a vaseline factory.
Good luck.
ye will ye will ye will..ted
There is no bitterness shown from the drivers of the wee fat jet at BHD. BMI Can not threaten their job security any more than their own company already has. Most of them are trying to escape to the big airport or have already done so. As for performance..well that's all well and good but as you know when 22 is wet it can be as slippy as a oil slick in a vaseline factory.
Good luck.
ye will ye will ye will..ted
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Latest rumour is that bmi are back in negotiations with TBI. A better deal has already been offered but it remains to be seen if bmi will accept and go back on their move to Belfast City.
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Heard that Ryanair were thinking of some twelve rotations to European destinations ? Lets have them !! BFS concerned about parking problems but big airbridge now free!! now ....About the GA!!
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A local newspaper printed that Ryanair are in talks with BFS about starting up a Belfast - Brussles (Charleroi) to replace the Sabena service. Looks like low cost carriers could be the way to Europe from Belfast if this goes ahead. There are also rumours of EZY starting a service to Paris ORY when it sets up base there. That would be Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels all operated by the lost cost carriers!
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Who Knows? Just had it confirmed that it will be a 737-500 series on BHD all day. Looks good for any bmi 73 drivers who want to live in NI. As it's a change of airport the guys based their could be in the pooh. Oh dear. The futures bright, but not in Belfast!! 
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KIL!!! Does this mean that you have to travel a darn sight further now than the big airport to go to work ? will you have to move? can you fly a b737-500? Hope (sincerely )that you guys aren't about to be shafted as well ! Question for any Midl....sorry Bmi management out there.You now own a large lump of NATS ,your NATS controllers are sub contracted by TBI at BFS ,how come you are taking your business to NATS competitors? Is this a good way to show faith in your "staff"? 
Whilst I remember come the Christmas rush and Bmi usually have a flight about once an hour will the Harbour be able to park them all ?
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Whilst I remember come the Christmas rush and Bmi usually have a flight about once an hour will the Harbour be able to park them all ?
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