Major breach of security at LGW !!
Airport Security
Harpy,
Thanks again for your reply to my last post on this subject.
I understand once more and take the points you make, on board.
I would also agree with you in particular and then some with the points you make in para 1 of your message. However I still would contend that, eventhough the `LGW TWO`did expose a gaping hole in the airport security, the outcome could well have been more serious. Now I suppose more little Grannies will have even more nail files taken from their handbags at check in etc.
I also note the post from ASFKAP of 16th and again agree totally with what he says. The minute we start to excuse various personnel and sections from the security procedures for whatever reason, the effect of that security is greatly reduced. For a number of years at the end of my military flying career I was security checked and cleared to a level that enabled me to fly HM the Q. This was a great privilidge and also a lovely tour of duty, but the security was very high, thorough and sensible.
Sensible security, professionally administered at all levels is what is required throughout the aviation industry, I contend, unfortunately we are a long way from that point as yet
Thanks again for your reply to my last post on this subject.
I understand once more and take the points you make, on board.
I would also agree with you in particular and then some with the points you make in para 1 of your message. However I still would contend that, eventhough the `LGW TWO`did expose a gaping hole in the airport security, the outcome could well have been more serious. Now I suppose more little Grannies will have even more nail files taken from their handbags at check in etc.
I also note the post from ASFKAP of 16th and again agree totally with what he says. The minute we start to excuse various personnel and sections from the security procedures for whatever reason, the effect of that security is greatly reduced. For a number of years at the end of my military flying career I was security checked and cleared to a level that enabled me to fly HM the Q. This was a great privilidge and also a lovely tour of duty, but the security was very high, thorough and sensible.
Sensible security, professionally administered at all levels is what is required throughout the aviation industry, I contend, unfortunately we are a long way from that point as yet
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Reference the "gaping hole in Gatwick security", if I understand the issue, the initial problem was the failure of the catering company to carry out their security checks and seal the vehicle. The driver colluded in this scam and Gatwick security were presented with a vehicle that appeared to comply with the regulations.
The posts, and newspaper reports, that require Airport Security to be tightened imply a requirement for all vehicles to be searched at the access control gates - fine, but consider the time and manpower required to carry this out to everyones satisfaction - under the vehicle, in the cab, the engine compartment, the goods carried, etc etc. Are we all willing to pay for this both financially and in time taken ?
There are usually ways to break most systems if you have enough people coluding together........
The posts, and newspaper reports, that require Airport Security to be tightened imply a requirement for all vehicles to be searched at the access control gates - fine, but consider the time and manpower required to carry this out to everyones satisfaction - under the vehicle, in the cab, the engine compartment, the goods carried, etc etc. Are we all willing to pay for this both financially and in time taken ?
There are usually ways to break most systems if you have enough people coluding together........
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Woof: From the stated facts, one senses that the problem is larger than just the caterer's seal and procedures for searching the truck. I would suggest that to achieve an appropriate level of security for aircraft operations, the airport security folks might need to work to a level of performance standards similar to that applied elsewhere in aviation.
One could could make a very specific list of points reflecting this perspective(others please add), such as:
1. The incident shows a failure to enforce existing security procedures - at least in this instance
2. Lack of any variability in the established checking procedures, makes them easy enough to subvert with long-baked plans.
3. Lack of redundancy in security procedures - so the failure of one component or the process means total failure & loss of control of the security mission
4. No closure of loops in the security process - lack of id checking upon exiting airside, for example - means missing an opportunity to catch mischief ex post facto, at least.
5. Only a single sleepy layer of security between the street and the jewels.
6. Evidently nobody is unpredictably but comprehensively policing the ramp and looking in on the players active there
7. The system does not seem to be at all oriented toward achieving a necessary degree of accountability in the security process at every step and at every moment of the day.
One could could make a very specific list of points reflecting this perspective(others please add), such as:
1. The incident shows a failure to enforce existing security procedures - at least in this instance
2. Lack of any variability in the established checking procedures, makes them easy enough to subvert with long-baked plans.
3. Lack of redundancy in security procedures - so the failure of one component or the process means total failure & loss of control of the security mission
4. No closure of loops in the security process - lack of id checking upon exiting airside, for example - means missing an opportunity to catch mischief ex post facto, at least.
5. Only a single sleepy layer of security between the street and the jewels.
6. Evidently nobody is unpredictably but comprehensively policing the ramp and looking in on the players active there
7. The system does not seem to be at all oriented toward achieving a necessary degree of accountability in the security process at every step and at every moment of the day.
