Air Nostrum F-50 runway overrun at Mellila

[Covenant]

dontdoit

A good understatement, if ever there was one

Here is an ever better understatement:

... crashing into a fence and alarming passengers

I would say they were alarmed!

[minimumclean]

The article has long been banished as complete rubbish.

sure!

Then why is Denimair criticised publicly, newspapers, tv etc throughout spain? Even the president of the sepla made conclusions before even 1 investigation was even started!!!??

Anyway, the whole thread of the accident has been mis-managed

explain us...

[seat 0A]

Today`s Telegraaf, the biggest Dutch newspaper, reports that neither of the pilots had used alcohol, nor drugs. The courts in Melilla have decided not to prosecute.
Good luck with your recovery from this incident, guys!

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Wilber - As you correctly say "it's a free world", that's why other Europeans can work in Spain, and of course you can work elsewhere so stop moaning about foreigners doing work in Spain. Referring to the other airlines that you say you have tried to join, well I cannot comment on most however I am employed by West Air, I am English and live in England, there are several Spanish pilots working for us along with South Africans, New Zealanders, Belgians etc, so I really don't think you have a clue regarding their employment policy, I think the main reason you didn't get hired is that you didn't have a rating and there are many who did. Get over it, we all try to move to other jobs from time to time and we don't make an issue of it if we are rejected. I think you will find that there are many more than 300 pilots unemployed in the UK whilst other nationalities are working and wet leasing there, we live in an open European market and we have to make the best of it.

[Pegasus77]

And I know it's hard to believe, but even in the Netherlands there are some pilots, qualified to fly because they have a valid license, without jobs.

P77

[D-OCHO]

Press Release
To : : E-mail :
From : Denim Air
Date : 24 January 2003

Subject : Pilots innocent


Denim Air pilots not under influence during incident with one of our 14 aircraft.

Just like the initial investigation before, also the results of second opinion tests (on blood, urine and hair-samples), clearly prove that the Denim Air pilots were not under influence of alcohol (or any other substance) during the incident last week. The Denim Air management is pleased that also this investigation now clears her pilots.

Articles in the press suggesting that the pilots were under influence, were based merely on the incorrect interpretation of laboratory results by a local newspaper correspondent.

[Kwasi_Mensa]

So, its a situation that irritates us more when canadians and dutch pilots screw up taking drugs whilst taking our damn jobs.

I think it's time Wilber starts eating his words?

Heard rumors that the reverse propellor thrust on the a/c wasn't working properly?

[fdgolf]

Hi

Everybody calm down here, starting with Mr Wilber (I know who you are and have nothing against you. You are from Orange, Texas - correct me if I am wrong). I think Mr Wilber should make a bigger aplogy than the simple line in one of his messages, regarding the fact of foreigners working in Spain, specially when he is an American born and raised... working in Spain!

I am an ANS Spanish f/o and definetely Denim Air has done a very good job with us, so thank you all DNM employees. I am also glad to hear about the new results on blood samples, totally clearing the crew.

It appears that the power levers did not go into Ground Idle during the landing, and the F50 has a tendency to slightly accelerate when this happens o/g, for what I have heard so far.

Cheers to all

[RatherBeFlying]

Wilber will doubtless be most interested in what has gone out under his name

[wilber burroughs]

Apologies ( You Know Who You Are )

In the DenimAir Melilla F50 thread my name has been used by a friend that is no longer my friend to revindicate and criticize the issues surrounding the incident, and apparently caused a stir.
I cant sya much except that dont ever leave your pc to just anybody, even close friends, but I think I owe an explanation to you all. I ve read all the stuff and some things are beteter just left alone. Like i said before, is there a way i can apologize ?
Paul

[JJflyer]

Newspapers and Journalists

This flying under the influence "news" has been frontpage here in Malaga. Every news paper, radio and tv news show has been telling how these foreigners are flying Spanish people popped out of their minds. Every farmer and goat herder in Antequera to Zaragoza nows about this and is convinced that it is the holy truth. My neighbours came to ask me if I knew these Pilotos de drogas. They have never been in an airport let alone in an airplane and said that they would never fly after this. Oh well.

I sure hope that the "Journo" and the newspaper be sued and fried for this. The damage caused by this can be quite great.

Proves once again how much power Journalists hold with their seek of sensation and sales.

[TheShadow]

Heard rumors that the reverse propellor thrust on the a/c wasn't working properly?

Reference this accident and earlier LUX accident to F-50. Does F-50 have a prop-reverse range or just ground-fine like the F-27, Viscount etc?

Has there been any word from the surviving LUX pilot about the cause of that accident? (throttles slipping into the G/F range airborne etc). I recall that there was some discussion of AD's existing and cautioning Fokker pilots about this possibility.

[Sick Squid]

FYI...

The Wilbur Burroughs posts and most of the subsequent flame war have been removed. That part of the thread is now closed, so no more references to it please.

Now, back to the topic at hand....

Sick Squid
Reporting Points Moderator

[driver1]

The F50 has an electronic engine system, on take off the power levers are moved into a "gate" where they stay, climb power, MCT, go-around power etc are selected on the ERP (engine rating panel). During decent and landing the power levers are moved out of the detent (gate) and operated manually, in theory they cannot be moved past flight idle until a weight on wheels switch activates a solenoid, after which ground idle and reverse can be selected. There are no prop levers on the F50, the props are managed electronically by the PEC (prop electronic control) system. Also after landing the weight on wheels switch commands the ERP to select Go- around power in case of a missed approach, this is normally not a problem as the pilot would normally have selected ground idle by this point, if however the solenoid sticks as has happened before, the aircraft could accelerate!! If this happens the procedure is to feather the affected engine by closing the fuel lever, but this is alot to ask of a pilot already concentrating on a short field landing, by the time you realise what has happened it is too late.

I believe in the case of the luxair F50 this solenoid had stuck open allowing the power levers to be moved into ground idle while airborne with disasterous concequences, this is yet to be confirmed by the investigating authorities.


Hope this helps, Regards......

[A/P Disc]

It was officially stated 2 days ago by the Dutch goverment that
neither alcohol or drugs were found in the blood of the two
pilots. Well that's was a nice press job in Spain after the accident
happend!