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Old 26th Oct 2002, 23:06
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The Guvnor in the news again!

Not sure how long this will last before it gets consigned to Jet Blast or somesuch place but The Guv features in The Sunday Mail again.

Looks like they contacted all the parties mentioned on a certain website.

Wonder if this guy will ever go away
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Old 26th Oct 2002, 23:10
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With all that wonderful news I suspect it will stay here quite a while!
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Old 26th Oct 2002, 23:15
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What a con artist.

People like him really give the industry a bad name. Hopefully all his "friends" over in Airliners.net will get a glimspe of this as well.
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Old 27th Oct 2002, 01:17
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When will 411A be in the Sunday Mail? It's almost as much fun reading his posts as 'Guv's'

Incoming.
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Old 27th Oct 2002, 02:37
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Does anyone know who he flew for as a self-proclaimed DC-8 pilot years ago?

Can he be charged with fraud for naming a bank as a sponsor, on a website? What remote island does he plan to fly to with the investors' money?

Does his Mom remind him to clean his room, and then give him keys to the family car?

Will he change names and appear in the US? My native country, the US, by and large absolutely loves unashamed self-promoters who claim that they can create any business from scratch, and are successful at (or by) exploiting and screwing their employees as much as possible. If still in the dark, read up on this industry's disasters in 80's and 90's, even much earlier. Even shareholders were often exploited, or at least until the Enron scandal unfolded.

Now, the US government is suddenly a True Friend of The working man and woman. They can also arrange to sell you lakefront property in Arizona or Utah.

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Old 27th Oct 2002, 07:31
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Tis now on Airliners!!!!! WEll I would be lacking in y public duty had I not let his friends there see him for what he really is...cough...LOSER.
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Happiness is a warm L1011.......
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Old 27th Oct 2002, 08:26
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As always, one has to admire his neck.

GVJFK, he now deems you to be Reddo, and to have certain motives for your post. He also rubbishes the Daily Star story, but forgets the fact that he can make any claim he likes without evidence, whereas the the newspaper has to research it's facts prior to publication, or leave itself open to being sued for libel.

Anyway, as long as the good people of Scotland, and the wider business community are wise to this conman, at least it's a start.

Happy to report that the Belfast is still happily sitting here in Southend, despite the fact that was "due" in Prestwick about two weeks ago. In fairness the Guvnor did say on Airliners.net
If it doesn't show up, you can make your own minds up
well it hasn't...........

and we have !!

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Old 27th Oct 2002, 10:15
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l posted the first thread about this on airliners.net but it seems every time l post they think l have some hidden agenda.........so they deleted at and sent me this e-mail :

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The Truth About Celeidh/Guvnor/Lionair/Lyingair

Posted by Sa365c1 ([email protected])

Hi,

Appearing in my local newspaper another article exposing Neil Robertson to be the scammer that he is..........read on :

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l dont have a hidden agenda l just want to see this guy stopped for pedalling all this nonsense.

regards
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Old 27th Oct 2002, 11:00
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Helll The Southend King!
Delighted to know that Essex boys live here as well as us Essex girls.

Mr Neil Robertson can call me Reddo all he pleases. If he is casting aspirsions that I am possibly a communist then good on him. He knows nothing about me or my life. In fact red is my colour, as in hair, choice of airline I love and My blessed Liverpool FC.

My problem with him and all like him is the fact that he is a CON ARTIST, a liar, a fraud, a bamboozler, a fake, a cad, and well a fantasist and thats the nicer things I am prepared to say about the "gentleman" What really boils my blood he the fact that he claims to be a child psychologist and will tell nothing as to his qualifications. Its a touchy subject in my household and well....without been indelicate there are too many people out there who claim they are what they are not to damage others.... That said if he was to verify at least one claim he makes then he may get back0.01% of the credibility he has lost.

Off now to gather up tiles that have found their way from my roof to my garden!!!!!
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Robert Vesco...Silver Phyllis....mmmmm good book it was, "The Flying Carpetbagger"...nice uniforms too!
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That´s right Ironbutt57.

That´s where I got the username from. Amazing book, fun reading.

Makes one wonder what really goes on inside all those cool BBJ´s parked in ZRH, GVA and at Jet Aviation in BSL......
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Posted since the above link does not appear to be working

Quote from Sunday Mail report:.........

CAPTAIN LYIN' AIR Oct 27 2002


Fly conman wants £2.5m to get 10th airline off the ground

Jamie Macaskill & Billy Paterson



A SELF-STYLED Richard Branson who promises investors his new airline Lionair will make millions is today exposed as a serial conman by the Sunday Mail.

Neil Robertson, 37, who wears an airline captain's uniform even though he can't fly, is trying to raise £2.5million to start up his tenth airline.

He boasts it will be making a £10million profit in three years and claims to have a huge cargo plane which will fly into Prestwick Airport within days to launch the business.

He says on his website that the airport will be the worldwide base of Lionair with eight Tristar jets and 150 staff on salaries of up to £80,000 a year.

But we can reveal it is the latest in a string of fantasy airlines created by the man dubbed Captain Lyin'air.

He has already launched Caledonian Wings - dubbed Con Air - City Connexions, SecureAir, FreshAir, TransOceanic, PegasusAir, Skymaster Freight, Trans Lloyd Cargo and Africargo Airlines.

None of them took off.

Robertson is trying to lure backers with a promise of a 505 per cent return on their investment within three years.

He is offering Lionair shares at 5p each and claims that by 2005 they will be worth 25p. Someone investing £10,000 would have shares worth £50,000 in three years.

One investment analyst said: "It is sheer fantasy in a falling market. It shows what a scam this is."

Robertson's website claims Lionair will become "the leading international force in the supply of global air cargo" and forecasts sales of £30million within three years.

But Deloitte and Touche, the company selling the 38-year-old Shorts Belfast cargo plane Robertson says will launch Lionair, denied having any dealings with him. A spokesman said: "We have not heard of this individual or his company."

Prestwick Airport, where Robertson claims to be based, also rubbished his plans. Managing director Tom Wilson said: "He does not have an office here. Once in the past we met and he's spoken to us about passenger and freight operations but we have yet to see any aircraft at Prestwick.

"So far we have not seen any evidence of aircraft ownership as far as Mr Robertson is concerned.

"We are not aware of him ever owning any aircraft or having a licence to operate any aircraft."

A senior banking source said they doubted any bank would lend money to buy the ancient plane - the last of its type still flying in the world.

The Bank of Scotland, which Robertson claims is his corporate bank also distanced themselves from the conman. They were furious he had named their corporate division as his "service partner".

The bank's spokeswoman said: "He is not a corporate customer and we are trying to contact him to instruct him to remove our logo from his website." The Sunday Mail can also reveal Robertson's fellow director, James Torrance, 64, is a retired cat- food manufacturer with no experience in the airline industry.

He lives in a flat in Troon, which it is believed he shares with his parents. Robertson is beleived to be staying in the town, too.

Torrancesaid he had the utmost faith in Robertson. He added: "I wouldn't be involved in this if I wasn't confident it would succeed."

Asked what his confidence in Robertson was based on, he would only reply: "Because I know what's happening."

Mr Torrance described Prestwick Airport as "only an accommodation address" for Lionair at the moment.

Later, his wife Joyce called the Sunday Mail to complain about our investigation.

She said: "You are the type of worm I could crush," before hanging up.

Robertson, who calls himself "The Guv'nor", went to ground last year after getting scores of inquiries from out-of-work pilots, engineers and cabin crew for jobs in Caledonian Wings.

Yesterday, an aviation source said: "Neil Robertson is a Walter Mitty character. It could seem like harmless fun but it can be harmful to people who are taken in by his claims."



[END OF REPORT]


Cheers


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Old 27th Oct 2002, 21:26
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Having flown the real Robert Vesco on several occasions in the 1960's....pilots would be the LAST to know what was goin' on...all he mentioned was...see you next time. ICC ring a bell?

Wonder if he has run out of the $225million already...probably not.
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Have any of you seen what the guvnor is saying on airliners.net? This pilot pretender says
I have not concealed - and indeed have been very frank - that my Nigerian licence was bought rather than earnt (and most certainly not forged as claimed); volunteering this information on a thread on PPRuNe a couple of years back. What can I say? I was very young at the time and some of the things I did in those days make me cringe.
He then goes on to say
The Nigerian licence was an ATPL and I was the commander of the aircraft so yes, it was a uniform to which I was entitled ... leaving aside the fact that I owned the company as well.
So according to this guy because he bought a licence and he was the owner of the company he was somehow entitled to wear the uniform. Oh my god, can you believe this? He expects everyone in aviation to accept him as some sort of honourable businessman in aviation.



Would you trust this fat child psychologist bloke in this uniform?
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Old 27th Oct 2002, 22:35
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I see the Guv's friends on Airliners.net have deleted the thread, and any adverse reference to his airline, newspaper story or dodgy psychologist past.

Hope someone took copies.....lots of wonderful quotes on there.
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Old 27th Oct 2002, 22:41
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this bloke has more front than blackpool
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Old 28th Oct 2002, 08:33
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No,

The Guvnor is a SERIOUS aviation expert and executive. In addition to this, he is about to launch the world's answer to cargo flying, I understand that DHL,Fedex,TNT et al have decided to hold crisis talks and are considering stopping business due to the destabilising effect that LIONAIR will have on their business.......

Get a grip Guv, you are a seriously bad and unfunny joke........sad really.
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Old 28th Oct 2002, 12:53
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Interesting bloke though! Seems to know a lot about aviation but I really can't see why he is catalyst to such frenzied attacks. Ok, so what if the guy is a dreamer? what damage does he do apart from wind up some of you guys ? Does anybody have evidence that he has actually taken money from somebody fraudulently? I guess he still blaggs his way into free airline travel but apart from that, I have heard nothing to convince me that he is anything other than either somebody who enjoys living under the limelight or alternatively is a perpetual dreamer!

Surely nobody here really believes that somebody with large sums of money would actually trust it to somebody who is well known in the industry as being a non-starter and dreamer! It is also usual to invest ones own money into a project. Guv, how much of your own money do you have to invest into your project? turn out your pockets Guv and give us a rough estimate of your total worth, say to the nearest 10p

And while you are at it Guv, I seem to remember that you have neither office nor home! let us know about your current source of income. It's always been a mystery to me anyway how you find the money for your food and lodging, Does income support stretch far enough to pay for your ISP connection as well?

I can't really see why you guys want to stop a non-starter or how a non-starter can be stopped! Now here's a revolutionary idea - Just ignore him!
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I have to agree with you, leave the guy alone...enough written about it already.
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