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How easy to wind you guys up?
I still can't believe that anybody would actually trust Neil with a hundred quid except a completely daft tw@t. Surely anybody with an Iota of common sense can see that somebody starting an airline with no assets is a completely non-starter (or is last weeks income support cheque considered a substantial asset?) The fact is that Neil doesn't have two cents to rub together relatively speaking, so surely nobody would give this guy cash to indulge his dreams would they? If he is so smart then why aint he rich? But then if he is so bad why aint he in jail?
I'd still buy him a pint just for the interest in what he has to say, he is an interesting and amusing guy. But aren't those qualities a prerequisite in business and conning anyway?
I can't help but smile at the way you guys take him so seriously!!!!!!! Hi Neil I know you are reading this, how's your ego? Fame at last huh!
I'd still buy him a pint just for the interest in what he has to say, he is an interesting and amusing guy. But aren't those qualities a prerequisite in business and conning anyway?
I can't help but smile at the way you guys take him so seriously!!!!!!! Hi Neil I know you are reading this, how's your ego? Fame at last huh!
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Well Sensible I don't think it is his aviation (non) exploits that are bothering most people, in fact most people are just laughing at them.
What does bother people, a lot, is the possibility that he may be masquerading as a child psychologist and offering 'help' to people who have sick and disturbed children and who are looking for a qualified professional who can genuinely help those children.
What does bother people, a lot, is the possibility that he may be masquerading as a child psychologist and offering 'help' to people who have sick and disturbed children and who are looking for a qualified professional who can genuinely help those children.
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Something he cannot legally and justifiably do.
He is NOT qualified and he is NOT a professional. The worst thing is that he THINKS he is. In that world of "I am everything to all people" he lives in.
He is dangerous and should be jailed.
He is NOT qualified and he is NOT a professional. The worst thing is that he THINKS he is. In that world of "I am everything to all people" he lives in.
He is dangerous and should be jailed.
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He looks familiar..........................
Mr Robertson looks familiar - does anyone have any REAL info on his background to suggest where I may have bumped into him?
It could be that I just saw his face when I was living in Troon some time back - but I'd love to know more.....................
It could be that I just saw his face when I was living in Troon some time back - but I'd love to know more.....................
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The possibility of this clown actually practicing as a child psychologist is worrying and frightening in the extreme.
It occurs to me that if the guy was even 10% of what he says he is, he must have, in the course of his career, rubbed shoulders with some Ppruners in the past.
The total abscence of anyone stepping forward with factual support says it all for me.
However, I suppose if his links with the security services were genuine it would be a case of, " I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you."
It occurs to me that if the guy was even 10% of what he says he is, he must have, in the course of his career, rubbed shoulders with some Ppruners in the past.
The total abscence of anyone stepping forward with factual support says it all for me.
However, I suppose if his links with the security services were genuine it would be a case of, " I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you."
Given the long tradition of flaky, unqualified, money-grabbing, perverted, drunken, treacherous weirdos taking Her Maj's shilling in the secret service, it's hardly impossible......but you'd think he'd know the Security Service, MI5, ain't in Vauxhall Cross....it's the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, that's there
Lon More suggests he must have "...rubbed shoulders with some Ppruners in the past."
Well, he was at a London bash a couple of years back. Does anyone else remember hearing that he fell asleep on the train back to Sussex and had something valuable stolen? I seem to remember that it was his laptop. If it was this is a bit worrying for investors in his latest dubious enterprise.
On the Lionair website it is claimed that...
"Lionair and all of its subsidiary companies are 'paperless' which allows Neil to run them from wherever he is in the world through his laptop."
But perhaps it'll never happen again. On the site it is also claimed that Duncan MacLaughlin is to be the airline's "Special Projects Manager" who will be "responsible for the security of the company’s operations, assets and personnel."
This ex-drug and regional crime squad officer has apparently been "trained by the SAS in covert techniques" and has expertise in "money laundering and undercover surveillance."
A tad over qualified if his main job is sitting next to Neil on the train and making sure nobody nicks the laptop when he falls asleep after 18 pints of lager.
Well, he was at a London bash a couple of years back. Does anyone else remember hearing that he fell asleep on the train back to Sussex and had something valuable stolen? I seem to remember that it was his laptop. If it was this is a bit worrying for investors in his latest dubious enterprise.
On the Lionair website it is claimed that...
"Lionair and all of its subsidiary companies are 'paperless' which allows Neil to run them from wherever he is in the world through his laptop."
But perhaps it'll never happen again. On the site it is also claimed that Duncan MacLaughlin is to be the airline's "Special Projects Manager" who will be "responsible for the security of the company’s operations, assets and personnel."
This ex-drug and regional crime squad officer has apparently been "trained by the SAS in covert techniques" and has expertise in "money laundering and undercover surveillance."
A tad over qualified if his main job is sitting next to Neil on the train and making sure nobody nicks the laptop when he falls asleep after 18 pints of lager.
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Can someone please tell me why the domain www.lionair.co.uk is registered to PPRUNE?
It appears to have been registered on 16 October 2002.
Running a WHOIS query reveals these results. I ask because the Sunday Mail comes up in its place.
It appears to have been registered on 16 October 2002.
Running a WHOIS query reveals these results. I ask because the Sunday Mail comes up in its place.
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Lionair or LionAir which is which
Perchance the Guv is in violation of trademark law. LionAir is a German company that makes high fidelity aircraft models and Lionair is an airline operating in the Far East. Incidentally, when my spell check tried to correct Lionair the suggested word was loonier.
Here is report of a Lionair aircraft being shot down by rebels:
LIONAIR PLANE SHOT BY LTTE (98 Oct 07)
The Lionair plane, which disappeared last week, was shot down by the LTTE, according to Mr. Suresh Premachandran of the EPRLF.
The aircraft which carried civilians from Palali, Yapanaya to Kolomba disappeared three minutes after the take off. Earlier for about a week, the LTTE had warned the people in Yapanaya to refrain from flying to Kolomba.
While the Lionair management has not admitted that the plane had been shot even though the debris of a plane and dead bodies have been found during the last few days. Meanwhile all investigations pertaining to the aircraft have been handed over to the Civil Aviation Authority. The government has temporarily banned all civil aviation between Kolomba and Yapanaya.
Most of the passengers in the ill fated aircraft were Tamils and if the LTTE has shot down the plane then it goes on to show that they have no concern or respect for the lives of the people whether they are Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim or any other. They are hungry for power and will not hesitate to do anything to achieve their goal.
Here is report of a Lionair aircraft being shot down by rebels:
LIONAIR PLANE SHOT BY LTTE (98 Oct 07)
The Lionair plane, which disappeared last week, was shot down by the LTTE, according to Mr. Suresh Premachandran of the EPRLF.
The aircraft which carried civilians from Palali, Yapanaya to Kolomba disappeared three minutes after the take off. Earlier for about a week, the LTTE had warned the people in Yapanaya to refrain from flying to Kolomba.
While the Lionair management has not admitted that the plane had been shot even though the debris of a plane and dead bodies have been found during the last few days. Meanwhile all investigations pertaining to the aircraft have been handed over to the Civil Aviation Authority. The government has temporarily banned all civil aviation between Kolomba and Yapanaya.
Most of the passengers in the ill fated aircraft were Tamils and if the LTTE has shot down the plane then it goes on to show that they have no concern or respect for the lives of the people whether they are Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim or any other. They are hungry for power and will not hesitate to do anything to achieve their goal.
Go to www.friendsreunited.co.uk, name search Neil Robertson, location Scotland, Dumfries & Galloway, click on the name that has been to about nine schools and colleges for his notes. Interesting! Name search for Giles Michie comes up blank.
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Of course he is familiar, he was the CEO of many major airlines in the past and has therefore been in the forefront of the financial press. His picture as a major player has been posted world-wide. I cannot remember for sure, but I think he might even have featured once on the front page of Time mgazine in recognition of his sterling achievements in the world of aviation. I'm sure that's how you probably recognise him.
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If I am correct I believe that Giles Mitchie was probably his birth name. It also appears from his search for his maternal mother that maybe she dumped him at birth, hence the change of name. Lord knows what damage that did to the poor soul.
It would be good for all concerned if swift action could be taken that would ensure security and peace of mind for all those that must be very troubled as the details of this story unfold.
edited for reasons of propriety, in case some might read my humour more seriously than it is intended, and therefore miss the underlying seriousness of the message that all here are trying to put across.
Of course he is familiar, he was the CEO of many major airlines in the past and has therefore been in the forefront of the financial press. His picture as a major player has been posted world-wide. I cannot remember for sure, but I think he might even have featured once on the front page of Time mgazine in recognition of his sterling achievements in the world of aviation. I'm sure that's how you probably recognise him.
Hew Jampton
If I am correct I believe that Giles Mitchie was probably his birth name. It also appears from his search for his maternal mother that maybe she dumped him at birth, hence the change of name. Lord knows what damage that did to the poor soul.
It would be good for all concerned if swift action could be taken that would ensure security and peace of mind for all those that must be very troubled as the details of this story unfold.
edited for reasons of propriety, in case some might read my humour more seriously than it is intended, and therefore miss the underlying seriousness of the message that all here are trying to put across.
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Newton,
The Lionair site belongs to Danny. To quote him from the Guvnor thread in Jetblast:
"I own the domain lionair.co.uk and if he wants it he will have to make an offer for it. In the meantime I thought I'd re-direct it to his website through a translator to give some true feel to the type of person Robertson is and the kind of dealings he is involved with. He could of course sue me for it but then he'd have to appear in a court of law and I am fairly sure he wouldn't really want to do that because all sorts of other nasty stuff would have to be answered under oath with the threat of perjury should he forget where the reality ends and the fantasies begin".
and
"In due course I will point the domain to something that will really alert the public, and not just the aviation community to just how corrupt and devious Robertson is".
It would appear from your comments that he considers the Sunday Mail article a suitable point.
The Lionair site belongs to Danny. To quote him from the Guvnor thread in Jetblast:
"I own the domain lionair.co.uk and if he wants it he will have to make an offer for it. In the meantime I thought I'd re-direct it to his website through a translator to give some true feel to the type of person Robertson is and the kind of dealings he is involved with. He could of course sue me for it but then he'd have to appear in a court of law and I am fairly sure he wouldn't really want to do that because all sorts of other nasty stuff would have to be answered under oath with the threat of perjury should he forget where the reality ends and the fantasies begin".
and
"In due course I will point the domain to something that will really alert the public, and not just the aviation community to just how corrupt and devious Robertson is".
It would appear from your comments that he considers the Sunday Mail article a suitable point.
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Aviation seems to attract these sados.....
danny's absolutely right on this and what i find annoying is this prat dressing up as a captain at an airport...with the hightened security these days there should be laws against impersonating pilots
I believe this is the case if you dress up as a serviceman .....
danny's absolutely right on this and what i find annoying is this prat dressing up as a captain at an airport...with the hightened security these days there should be laws against impersonating pilots
I believe this is the case if you dress up as a serviceman .....
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The Guy's A To$$er....... Period..
Look ...... (Forgive me for sounding like a patronising Git...)
However...comma... Mr. Robertson has continued to talk a load of unsubstantiated rubbish since the day he first set foot in this forum....PERIOD.. (sorry for shouting)...
AND (more importantly) very few individuals of PROVEN integrity and with a verifiable track record in aviation generally... have striven to negate his justifiable villification on this (and other) forums in recent memory.
The way I see it.... He as everything to prove..... He villifies Danny at his own behest.. and strives to construct detrimental comments towards our Forum gaffer without constraint...ALL of course from his own very large mouth and with nothing substantive behind it.
Yet Danny has ALWAYS been above board and continues to perform his duties to the best of his ability in order that we (confirmed... AND validated) professional aviators have a Forum to be envied throughout the cyberspace world.......... Notwithstanding the the above...... I think it's time that we PPruner's just stopped giving Robertson an excuse to continue his diatribe...!!
At the end of the day... aviation is a very small place.... I was born and bred in Scotland... and acquainted either through myself (or family) with all of the major players in aviation that hail from that part of the world ...... AND I can assure you that Mr. Robertson's name is not one of them
................. (The Burn's Night's in the Gulf are the best in the world ..... bye the way...!!!!)
So why don't we all just put the word out............!!!! and get ourselves shot of this jackass............!!!
However...comma... Mr. Robertson has continued to talk a load of unsubstantiated rubbish since the day he first set foot in this forum....PERIOD.. (sorry for shouting)...
AND (more importantly) very few individuals of PROVEN integrity and with a verifiable track record in aviation generally... have striven to negate his justifiable villification on this (and other) forums in recent memory.
The way I see it.... He as everything to prove..... He villifies Danny at his own behest.. and strives to construct detrimental comments towards our Forum gaffer without constraint...ALL of course from his own very large mouth and with nothing substantive behind it.
Yet Danny has ALWAYS been above board and continues to perform his duties to the best of his ability in order that we (confirmed... AND validated) professional aviators have a Forum to be envied throughout the cyberspace world.......... Notwithstanding the the above...... I think it's time that we PPruner's just stopped giving Robertson an excuse to continue his diatribe...!!
At the end of the day... aviation is a very small place.... I was born and bred in Scotland... and acquainted either through myself (or family) with all of the major players in aviation that hail from that part of the world ...... AND I can assure you that Mr. Robertson's name is not one of them
................. (The Burn's Night's in the Gulf are the best in the world ..... bye the way...!!!!)
So why don't we all just put the word out............!!!! and get ourselves shot of this jackass............!!!
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what i find annoying is this prat dressing up as a captain at an airport...
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PocaHostie says "However...comma... Mr. Robertson has continued to talk a load of unsubstantiated rubbish since the day he first set foot in this forum....PERIOD.. (sorry for shouting)..."
Thinking back over postings made by Robertson two or more years ago, I seem to recall a number of PPRune posters being very respectful to him. This was the time he was talking (some will use stronger language) of setting up the Tristar airline.
More than one member made responses such as Good on you Guv, What do you think Guv etc.
So before it becam obvious that his airline was a fantasy there were PPRune members taken in by him, albeit for a short time.
Seem to me the warnings and the strong stance Danny is taken is justified as this man, to those who don't know of him; is plausible to those who have not previously encountered him and his activities.
Thinking back over postings made by Robertson two or more years ago, I seem to recall a number of PPRune posters being very respectful to him. This was the time he was talking (some will use stronger language) of setting up the Tristar airline.
More than one member made responses such as Good on you Guv, What do you think Guv etc.
So before it becam obvious that his airline was a fantasy there were PPRune members taken in by him, albeit for a short time.
Seem to me the warnings and the strong stance Danny is taken is justified as this man, to those who don't know of him; is plausible to those who have not previously encountered him and his activities.
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I may be mistaken but I think I read somewhere on one of the many links that have been provided during this story something about Birmingham Prison, but I cannot be sure and I really cannot be bothered to go back through them all to find out which one it was. Still this is a rumour network 
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SIS, MI6 etc.
MI5 - now known as the Security service - is located in Millbank, London (suspiciously close to Labour Party HQ!).
Try www.mi5.gov.uk
For some reason, MI6 (SIS) do not have a website!!!!! They are based at Vauxhall Cross (as featured in the Bond films lately).
Try www.mi5.gov.uk
For some reason, MI6 (SIS) do not have a website!!!!! They are based at Vauxhall Cross (as featured in the Bond films lately).
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Thanks
Thanks ORAC
That explains it. I went to the the Lionair website to see what all the fuss was about and it came back with the article that lead me to it in the first place. Its a strange world.
That explains it. I went to the the Lionair website to see what all the fuss was about and it came back with the article that lead me to it in the first place. Its a strange world.