UAL unauthorized MLB cockpit visitor...
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UAL unauthorized MLB cockpit visitor...
That 's not gonna be a slap on the wrist...Reminds me of a fellow FO on a long haul while CAP on break wanting to "surprise" an FA by both of us being seatless after calling her in...I refused outright and after calling her in he proceeded to tell her about it...They both agreed I was no fun... 
...PS... Just remembered the one where an FA sat in CAPs lap on landing?...Not UAL...
...PS... Just remembered the one where an FA sat in CAPs lap on landing?...Not UAL...
Last edited by 1southernman; 20th Apr 2024 at 12:42.
Incident occurred 4/10/24
DEN to YYZ
UAL 757 charter for Colorado Rockies
Pilots removed from duty by UAL during investigation
FAA probe: United Airlines passengers filmed in Boeing 757 cockpit midflight
DEN to YYZ
UAL 757 charter for Colorado Rockies
Pilots removed from duty by UAL during investigation
FAA probe: United Airlines passengers filmed in Boeing 757 cockpit midflight
Left seat squatter now identified as Rockies’ hitting coach, Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens. Incriminating X video embedded in linked news article.
Rockies hitting coach cockpit visit triggers FAA investigation
Rockies hitting coach cockpit visit triggers FAA investigation
Left seat squatter now identified as Rockies’ hitting coach, Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens. Incriminating X video embedded in linked news article.
Rockies hitting coach cockpit visit triggers FAA investigation
Rockies hitting coach cockpit visit triggers FAA investigation
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Pilot Out-of-Seat, Visitor-in-Cockpit, Visitor-in-Seat
see RED FLAGs learnt from past "mysterious" inflight upsets :
Pilot Ethics, Pro' Standards, Housekeeping
Pilot Ethics, Pro' Standards, Housekeeping
[ATC]”Aeroflot XX, turn right heading 240”
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[ATC]”Aeroflot XX, turn right heading 260”
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[ATC]”Aeroflot XX, turn right NOW heading 290”
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[British voice]”Aeroflot XX, tell your dad that French ATC want to talk to him”
[ATC]”Who said zat!"
I've been trying to add up how many times I sat in the left or right hand seat of an airliner. Lost count! Of course this was pre flake era. I hasten to add that at all times there was a qualified pilot in the other seat. For that reason I hate people quoting the Aeroflot accident. In that particular case there were no pilots in their rightful seat. That's something else.
Had a quick look at the USAF crash mentioned by Liffy 1M. In the official report report I read the following:
This phase of flight, the navigational leg, was the least demanding on the pilot and was the logical time for the passengers to come forward to view the cockpit area. There is no evidence that the presence of the passengers in the crew compartment contributed to, or caused, the accident.
This phase of flight, the navigational leg, was the least demanding on the pilot and was the logical time for the passengers to come forward to view the cockpit area. There is no evidence that the presence of the passengers in the crew compartment contributed to, or caused, the accident.
Had a quick look at the USAF crash mentioned by Liffy 1M. In the official report report I read the following:
This phase of flight, the navigational leg, was the least demanding on the pilot and was the logical time for the passengers to come forward to view the cockpit area. There is no evidence that the presence of the passengers in the crew compartment contributed to, or caused, the accident.
This phase of flight, the navigational leg, was the least demanding on the pilot and was the logical time for the passengers to come forward to view the cockpit area. There is no evidence that the presence of the passengers in the crew compartment contributed to, or caused, the accident.
Had a quick look at the USAF crash mentioned by Liffy 1M. In the official report report I read the following:
This phase of flight, the navigational leg, was the least demanding on the pilot and was the logical time for the passengers to come forward to view the cockpit area. There is no evidence that the presence of the passengers in the crew compartment contributed to, or caused, the accident.
This phase of flight, the navigational leg, was the least demanding on the pilot and was the logical time for the passengers to come forward to view the cockpit area. There is no evidence that the presence of the passengers in the crew compartment contributed to, or caused, the accident.
What would have been the potential sources of evidence that a passenger did contribute to the accident? Seems the only way to know that there were passengers in the cockpit, including one in the pilot’s seat, would have been a CVR. Similarly, to know that the trim was run full nose down implies the presence of an FDR though certainly rudimentary by today’s standards. Is there any FDR evidence that could have indicated a passenger contributed to the accident? Unlikely given that an FDR of that era would not indicate operation of flight controls specific to left or right seat. What would have been evidence on the CVR? Audible cues such as a passenger saying “hey, what does this switch do?” or the seated pilot saying “hey, honey, don’t touch that switch!” The absence of such audible cues does not allow the conclusion that a passenger did not intentionally or inadvertently operate an aircraft system or flight control, causing or contributing to the accident.
With the aircraft upset that did occur, you’re left with one hopefully belted-in pilot to recover from the upset with a cockpit full of unrestrained and likely injured bodies flying around further interfering with upset recovery. Given the G-forces involved and the rapid progression to an unrecoverable flight condition, it seems highly unlikely that the second pilot was able to remove the wife from the left seat, occupy the left seat, and assist with upset recovery.
Unauthorized, untrained, and unbelted personnel should never be allowed on the flight deck during flight operations.
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I've been trying to add up how many times I sat in the left or right hand seat of an airliner. Lost count! Of course this was pre flake era. I hasten to add that at all times there was a qualified pilot in the other seat. For that reason I hate people quoting the Aeroflot accident. In that particular case there were no pilots in their rightful seat. That's something else.
"The co-pilot began to counter the roll 6 seconds after the aircraft reached the operating limit of 45° bank (which was indicated on the PFO by the disappearance of some of the routine information) and 2 seconds after the onset of buffeting. These pilot reaction times correspond to statistical averages for the time required to carry out the actions appropriate to the situation, including detection, identification, assessment of the situation and decision-making."
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