UAL unauthorized MLB cockpit visitor...
 

That 's not gonna be a slap on the wrist...Reminds me of a fellow FO on a long haul while CAP on break wanting to "surprise" an FA by both of us being seatless after calling her in...I refused outright and after calling her in he proceeded to tell her about it...They both agreed I was no fun... :)...PS... Just remembered the one where an FA sat in CAPs lap on landing?...Not UAL...

Incident occurred 4/10/24
DEN to YYZ
UAL 757 charter for Colorado Rockies
Pilots removed from duty by UAL during investigation

FAA probe: United Airlines passengers filmed in Boeing 757 cockpit midflight

Left seat squatter now identified as Rockies’ hitting coach, Hensley “Bam Bam” Meulens. Incriminating X video embedded in linked news article.

Rockies hitting coach cockpit visit triggers FAA investigation

How can anyone be so dumb - and let it be filmed? In this day and age. Do they live in a cave?

There is something about social media 'clicks' that makes normal people do incredibly stupid stuff (see the Darwin Award thread in Jet Blast for a number of examples).

Pilot Out-of-Seat, Visitor-in-Cockpit, Visitor-in-Seat
 

see RED FLAGs learnt from past "mysterious" inflight upsets :
https://www.pprune.org/safety-crm-qa...ml#post5291331

There are those who believe rules only apply to the "little" people.

What could possibly have gone wrong?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593

I remember being told about an exchange in the Paris TMA not long after this became public:

[ATC]”Aeroflot XX, turn right heading 240”
...
[ATC]”Aeroflot XX, turn right heading 260”
...
[ATC]”Aeroflot XX, turn right NOW heading 290”
...
[British voice]”Aeroflot XX, tell your dad that French ATC want to talk to him”
[ATC]”Who said zat!"

And this USAF crash: https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/cras...ille-21-killed

This is news item number two on the morning national news in Canada today, 'sure is a bad look for the crew.....

I've been trying to add up how many times I sat in the left or right hand seat of an airliner. Lost count! Of course this was pre flake era. I hasten to add that at all times there was a qualified pilot in the other seat. For that reason I hate people quoting the Aeroflot accident. In that particular case there were no pilots in their rightful seat. That's something else.

Maybe the captain confused a charter flight with a no pax repositioning flight.

Robert S Hopkins III, KC-135 guru, former C-135 pilot and author of this tome, notes in it that there is a suggestion, as result of the work of an investigative journalist, that the official report into this accident was falsified and that the IP was in the jump seat and the two spouses were in the pilots' seats. He adds "Several 'old timers' from the 4950th TW echo this highly controversal conclusion". This other former EC-135 pilot also takes that view that at the least, the presence of the passengers in the cockpit was a factor. https://code7700.com/case_study_ec-1...8.htm#section1

Based on the words you quoted in bold italics, are you concluding that the presence of the passengers in the cockpit did not contribute to the accident? In other words, the presence of the passengers in the cockpit, including one in a pilot’s seat, is just coincidental with the mysterious nose down trim, auto-pilot disengagement, and subsequent aircraft upset? That’s certainly some coincidence.

What would have been the potential sources of evidence that a passenger did contribute to the accident? Seems the only way to know that there were passengers in the cockpit, including one in the pilot’s seat, would have been a CVR. Similarly, to know that the trim was run full nose down implies the presence of an FDR though certainly rudimentary by today’s standards. Is there any FDR evidence that could have indicated a passenger contributed to the accident? Unlikely given that an FDR of that era would not indicate operation of flight controls specific to left or right seat. What would have been evidence on the CVR? Audible cues such as a passenger saying “hey, what does this switch do?” or the seated pilot saying “hey, honey, don’t touch that switch!” The absence of such audible cues does not allow the conclusion that a passenger did not intentionally or inadvertently operate an aircraft system or flight control, causing or contributing to the accident.

With the aircraft upset that did occur, you’re left with one hopefully belted-in pilot to recover from the upset with a cockpit full of unrestrained and likely injured bodies flying around further interfering with upset recovery. Given the G-forces involved and the rapid progression to an unrecoverable flight condition, it seems highly unlikely that the second pilot was able to remove the wife from the left seat, occupy the left seat, and assist with upset recovery.

Unauthorized, untrained, and unbelted personnel should never be allowed on the flight deck during flight operations.

I quoted the official report. The rest is hearsay.

It's official, the pilots have been suspended pending further investigative action by the airline and FAA

The Co-pilot was in his seat. Page 13 paragraph 4 of the translated accident report will tell you exactly what he did.

"The co-pilot began to counter the roll 6 seconds after the aircraft reached the operating limit of 45° bank (which was indicated on the PFO by the disappearance of some of the routine information) and 2 seconds after the onset of buffeting. These pilot reaction times correspond to statistical averages for the time required to carry out the actions appropriate to the situation, including detection, identification, assessment of the situation and decision-making."

nope. Can’t do that either…