Hard TAP A321 Landing at Madeira Airport
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Hard TAP A321 Landing at Madeira Airport
They may want to check the nose gear and forward fuselage after this one. Perhaps a missed approach would have been the better choice?
I was there (and for the next 10 hours!). Saw the AC well nose low as it passed the Terminal Window, but didn’t see the touchdown. Commented to my Wife at the time.
Our EZY flight was given the Met at TOD and diverted to Faro. It was a l-o-n-g day for us, but the correct decision.
Our EZY flight was given the Met at TOD and diverted to Faro. It was a l-o-n-g day for us, but the correct decision.
Not Madeira again. Looks like when it was stick & rudder and more challenging, we, mostly got it right. Modern fly by wire controlling the flight control surfaces through flight control computers and easier airfield situation have made worse what was just a challenge.
Clearly not stable at low altitude and touched down some way beyond the markers. Is this the second TAP incident at Madeira recently or am I mixing them up with another carrier?
The Airbus fly by wire is not modern. In fact it’s rudimentary and basic. Modern FBW systems with rate and motion feedback can provide very nice flying aircraft. The 787, new Gulfstream SS and A220 being examples. The legacy Airbus system is basically a dead stick system with zero feedback.
Not Hard at all...maybe a kind of "non desirable" Nose gear landing but not hard at all, IMHO...plane was empty/light (only crew) on a ferry flt from near PXO (porto santo) after Div to collect pax at FNC.
The wind was pretty nasty, just observe the sea waves.
The wind was pretty nasty, just observe the sea waves.
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Finished my out my time on the 320...Twas the only airliner that I ever used full throw pitch and roll control on in gusty wx..For me the 37 Classic was the most honest in the challenging wx...Never got surprised...Can't say the same for the Bus...
I 'm thinking when you hear 10 ft and the windshield view is all runway you should probably go around....
Impressive that there was no damage.
Impressive that there was no damage.
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The 737 Classic is, to me anyway, just the best aeroplane to hand fly. Absolutely brilliant machine. Not without foibles sure, but brilliant.
Does TAP have a non punitive go around policy ? By that I mean not just what is written in some manual but a culture that rewards going around rather than celebrating those pilots that save bad approaches ?
What a ridiculous question. I take it that you have never been to Funchal. Portugal and TAP understand quite how 'challenging' it is and the consequences of screwing it up. You imply that there could be an element of dishonesty and double standards in the system, shame on you.
Air Europe 757 G-BLVH in 1987 managed to push the nose gear leg through the cabin floor . This was before the runway was extended, but it’s always been a Cat C airfield for very good reason.
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Anyway, it looks like he is carrying a lot of extra speed, that aircraft just wants to keep flying.
So you too have never operated there. The surface wind can be strong and variable to the point of 180 degree and 15 kts or more ie 30 kts difference between the thresholds. Carrying extra speed? Groundspeed can be stable, but airspeed can vary wildly on approach, flare and roll out.
It is easy to see exactly where the approach should have been abandoned - once past the taxiway turn and experiencing the updraft. Obviously very easy to say from the armchair!
On the plus side it does look like a good part of the groundspeed had already gone by the time all three sets of landing gear were on the deck.
On the plus side it does look like a good part of the groundspeed had already gone by the time all three sets of landing gear were on the deck.
What a ridiculous question. I take it that you have never been to Funchal. Portugal and TAP understand quite how 'challenging' it is and the consequences of screwing it up. You imply that there could be an element of dishonesty and double standards in the system, shame on you.