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BA pilot sacked for snorting coke from, err, well...and then trying to fly home.

Old 30th Sep 2023, 23:28
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This guy showed the stupidity of youth, suicidal stupidity to share the details with crew. As someone above said, it's not he 70's or 80's and everyone is watching and waiting for you to drop the ball. I doubt that many commercial pilots of my age wouldn't be able to tell you hair-raising stories of what they (or someone else) did in the past. What this guy did was stupid and unprofessional, but we were all young once and mostly we didn't get caught. I expect he'll fly again if he wants to, it certainly never stopped a couple of functioning alcoholics that I knew eons ago.
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 23:49
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Two points, what does he do for an encore performance?

And will the Union and he plead for support, help, intervention and a start over ala a US carrier way back in the day
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 02:36
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Blorgwinder,

I don’t know of any incidents where illegal drug use was cause for termination, where the employee was let back on the roster. Alchohol, yes, but not an illegal drug.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 07:44
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Originally Posted by Right20deg
BA has had a serious issue with cabin crew using various opportunities to drop the flight deck right in the doo doo. Suspensions, internal reports, some ending up in court. They used to stay in separate hotels down route in my day.
Emirates runs on crew fear. Fact. Just don't get caught and reported.
So, cabin crew looking after their passengers should allow a coked up pilot to fly them, because to raise an issue would get them the sack. No organisation should be run on fear.

I wonder who the cabin crew reported the texts to. I'd wager that the aircraft commander was made aware of the texts from their crew and made the decision to stand the flight down, abd report why to LHR OPs.

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Old 1st Oct 2023, 08:26
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BA pilot sacked for snorting,err,well : and then trying to fly home

Just a thought ; was the cc male or female ? To a fellow male, might have just been a boast. to a female., might have been not only a boast but a kinda tease. You know,; ' look what you missed by turning down my advances' (?)

Either way,it placed the cc in a dreadful position and given the 'drop the FD in the poo' culture, very prevelent these days .Without any malicious intent,the cc would be left, in the interest of flight safety and self preservation to rightly wonder if the boaster should be reported.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 08:54
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Originally Posted by PC767
So, cabin crew looking after their passengers should allow a coked up pilot to fly them, because to raise an issue would get them the sack. No organisation should be run on fear.

I wonder who the cabin crew reported the texts to. I'd wager that the aircraft commander was made aware of the texts from their crew and made the decision to stand the flight down, abd report why to LHR OPs.
Your suggestion and not mine.
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Right20deg
Your suggestion and not mine.
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
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I don't disagree with your statement, but. The problem is, if you remove the solidarity of trust between crew members, what replaces it? Trust in management processes to do the right thing? The camaraderie of a crew, particularly on long haul trips, to look after each others interests, is pretty important, not least because in an emergency situation you have to trust all of them.
Unfortunately, reporting a colleague for any misdemeanour has become the norm across most workplaces in the West, IMHO it is as destructive as the inability to challange any misdemeanour seen in other parts of the world.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Right20deg
Your suggestion and not mine.
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
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Forgive me if I misread your post, but I interpreted your statement as this was a cabin crew rather than a coked up flight crew problem. In that the cabin crew are just out to get the flight crew. I got the impression that you overlooked the actual problem and concentrated on the politics.

You seemed to prefer an Emirates style of a crew being fearful of causing waves for anyone more senior. Indeed you propose it is better to not get caught rather than to not get coked.

Your reply to me contradicts my intetpretation of your post, so I do apologise if I got it wrong and we are on the same page.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 11:22
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There have been several posts made in this thread, discussing why the now disgraced pilot would discuss his exploits with a member of the cabin crew. I can't have been the only one, surely, to have noted the single sentence comment (highlighted in the attached screen-capture, taken from The Sun article linked in the opening post of this thread)? This comment, made by the female cabin crew member in the opening remarks of their fateful digital conversation, strongly suggests that she and the pilot were already engaged in some sort of relationship outside of his marriage.



The pilot seems to have thought that discussing other illicit down-route goings-on with her would be just fine, as the pair of them were likely already indulging in, or had previously had, an extra-marital relationship. In any event, he was stupid enough to risk his marriage and career.

Additionally, he clearly doesn't have the critical reasoning ability to see the danger in writing to her about his illegal behavior. It seems to be a trait common to many who have grown up closely with, and live their lives on, the internet - they don't seem to have a clue about where rational boundaries lie.

He has now permanently removed himself from employability as a professional pilot. With his photos all over the internet, employment of any meaningful sort is going to be very difficult!


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Old 1st Oct 2023, 11:27
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So, he's boasting about his night-stop adventures to his girlfriend......I wonder why she reported him? I'm only surprised he didn't copy his wife in too!

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"One moments thoughtlesness can cause a life times regret" comes to mind.
This lad has paid a very high price as already mentioned. He made a mistake. We have sll made mistakes and done silly things and will continue to do so.
Let this be a lesson to us. All.
At least his mistske hasn't killed anyone. I hope he receives treatment for his possible addiction and proffessional help. He could be at risk of suicide
I hope BA get him the help he will need. Or will he be just thrown to the wolves?

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Old 1st Oct 2023, 13:00
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Having read the posts I am surprised that there has beeen no ( ? ) reference to the fact that with some ( lots ? ) of men, if they have had a drink and are horny, then the little brain between their legs completely over-rules the big brain in their head: consequence be damned .
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Stuart Sutcliffe
There have been several posts made in this thread, discussing why the now disgraced pilot would discuss his exploits with a member of the cabin crew. I can't have been the only one, surely, to have noted the single sentence comment (highlighted in the attached screen-capture, taken from The Sun article linked in the opening post of this thread)? This comment, made by the female cabin crew member in the opening remarks of their fateful digital conversation, strongly suggests that she and the pilot were already engaged in some sort of relationship outside of his marriage.



The pilot seems to have thought that discussing other illicit down-route goings-on with her would be just fine, as the pair of them were likely already indulging in, or had previously had, an extra-marital relationship. In any event, he was stupid enough to risk his marriage and career.

Additionally, he clearly doesn't have the critical reasoning ability to see the danger in writing to her about his illegal behavior. It seems to be a trait common to many who have grown up closely with, and live their lives on, the internet - they don't seem to have a clue about where rational boundaries lie.

He has now permanently removed himself from employability as a professional pilot. With his photos all over the internet, employment of any meaningful sort is going to be very difficult!
I haven't seen the texts reproduced in the Sun. Are they screen shots or a mock up? My interpretation of 'naughtier than us' is that the statement referred to 'us' as the cabin crew, rather than 'us' as a couple. 'Right get ready....' suggests than he knew he was going to blow the cabin crew 'us' antics out of the water. Perhaps he was trying to impress this particular cabin crew member and the opposite occured.
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 16:38
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I think what is more interesting to observe is that he felt comfortable detailing his behaviour in a written/recorded format to a fellow crew member within the same time frame as the trip/return leg. To me; that says a lot more about the company culture surrounding such behaviour.

If this was an outlier in terms of actions/bahviour then wouldn't they know well enough to keep it to themselves and not broadcast it in a format that can be recorded? The contents of the texts appear to me as if it is the bragging report of some regular antics down-route.

*I'm leaving in the spelling error because it made me laugh
I really can't speak for the current climate at BA since I'm not there anymore but what's been described in the MSM most certainly wasn't regular down-route antics.

As for the pilot detailing what supposedly went on into writing that night to anybody, let alone a fellow crew member.....I really really can't begin to think what on earth motivated that.

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I was referring to both the exams and the practical requirements. The "statistics" come from the Office of National Statistics. It is interesting to see the dramatic change in national average academic performance between the 2011 and 2021 census.

Nurse and paramedic are both 3/4 year degree level qualifications with embedded work experience. ATPL is roughly 18 months, so substantially less
You may be right , but surely it depends on what sort of degree we are talking about , and it what subjects . No way on earth the educational level of a paramedic is equal to a rigorous 3 or 4 year degree, same goes for nursing … I’ve seen them on the Telly .. no offense
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 18:58
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You may be right , but surely it depends on what sort of degree we are talking about , and it what subjects . No way on earth the educational level of a paramedic is equal to a rigorous 3 or 4 year degree, same goes for nursing … I’ve seen them on the Telly .. no offense
You do realise that in the U.K. in 2023 you require a degree at university level to become a nurse (the are some degree level apprenticeships. But not many)

Ive done both a degree at a serious U.K. university and an ATPL. ATPL’s are learning by rote. Zero critical thinking required. (At least it was 20 years ago. I doubt much has changed)
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You do realise that in the U.K. in 2023 you require a degree at university level to become a nurse (the are some degree level apprenticeships. But not many)
Why do they blindly insist on a degree for everything now?You need a degree to be a copper. Now a nurse. What's next? Bin man?. Or should I say refuge operative? No disrespect.
I left school at 15 with nothing. Yet I got through the system and finished up on 4 engined heavy jets. Now, with my lack of academic qualifications I wouldn't get into a ATO for a 2 year sausage factory course.
Why don't they make it a post graduate doctorate and be done with it.
You can't learn flare, aptitude or ability in a class room. You are either born with it or not.

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That must be why nurses earn as much as pilots
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Originally Posted by RichardJones
Why do they blindly insist on a degree for everything now?You need a degree to be a copper. Now a nurse. What's next? Bin man?. Or should I say refuge operative? No disrespect.
I left school at 15 with nothing. Yet I got through the system and finished up on 4 engined heavy jets. Now, with my lack of academic qualifications I wouldn't get into a ATO for a 2 year sausage factory course.
Ahy don't they make it a post graduate doroctate and be done with it.
You can learn flare, aptitude or ability in a class room. You are either born with it or not.
I agree with you completely , in fact many degrees are so dumbed down and issued by “non” new universities that they become practically worthless… they are the new “o” level just about everybody has one . Mind you as our colleague has stated statistics will show more degrees than ever are being awarded .. more,s the pity .
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Why in the hell would a BA fo ever apply to Whizz?

This was before his story came out..

Just weird
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