BA pilot sacked for snorting coke from, err, well...and then trying to fly home.
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This guy showed the stupidity of youth, suicidal stupidity to share the details with crew. As someone above said, it's not he 70's or 80's and everyone is watching and waiting for you to drop the ball. I doubt that many commercial pilots of my age wouldn't be able to tell you hair-raising stories of what they (or someone else) did in the past. What this guy did was stupid and unprofessional, but we were all young once and mostly we didn't get caught. I expect he'll fly again if he wants to, it certainly never stopped a couple of functioning alcoholics that I knew eons ago.
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Two points, what does he do for an encore performance?
And will the Union and he plead for support, help, intervention and a start over ala a US carrier way back in the day
And will the Union and he plead for support, help, intervention and a start over ala a US carrier way back in the day
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I don’t know of any incidents where illegal drug use was cause for termination, where the employee was let back on the roster. Alchohol, yes, but not an illegal drug.
I don’t know of any incidents where illegal drug use was cause for termination, where the employee was let back on the roster. Alchohol, yes, but not an illegal drug.
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BA has had a serious issue with cabin crew using various opportunities to drop the flight deck right in the doo doo. Suspensions, internal reports, some ending up in court. They used to stay in separate hotels down route in my day.
Emirates runs on crew fear. Fact. Just don't get caught and reported.
Emirates runs on crew fear. Fact. Just don't get caught and reported.
I wonder who the cabin crew reported the texts to. I'd wager that the aircraft commander was made aware of the texts from their crew and made the decision to stand the flight down, abd report why to LHR OPs.
BA pilot sacked for snorting,err,well : and then trying to fly home
Just a thought ; was the cc male or female ? To a fellow male, might have just been a boast. to a female., might have been not only a boast but a kinda tease. You know,; ' look what you missed by turning down my advances' (?)
Either way,it placed the cc in a dreadful position and given the 'drop the FD in the poo' culture, very prevelent these days .Without any malicious intent,the cc would be left, in the interest of flight safety and self preservation to rightly wonder if the boaster should be reported.
Either way,it placed the cc in a dreadful position and given the 'drop the FD in the poo' culture, very prevelent these days .Without any malicious intent,the cc would be left, in the interest of flight safety and self preservation to rightly wonder if the boaster should be reported.
So, cabin crew looking after their passengers should allow a coked up pilot to fly them, because to raise an issue would get them the sack. No organisation should be run on fear.
I wonder who the cabin crew reported the texts to. I'd wager that the aircraft commander was made aware of the texts from their crew and made the decision to stand the flight down, abd report why to LHR OPs.
I wonder who the cabin crew reported the texts to. I'd wager that the aircraft commander was made aware of the texts from their crew and made the decision to stand the flight down, abd report why to LHR OPs.
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
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Your suggestion and not mine.
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
Rgds r20deg
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
Rgds r20deg
Unfortunately, reporting a colleague for any misdemeanour has become the norm across most workplaces in the West, IMHO it is as destructive as the inability to challange any misdemeanour seen in other parts of the world.
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Your suggestion and not mine.
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
Rgds r20deg
Reporting , as this crew, did was absolutely correct. There is a big airlines culture out there and the old " what goes on west of 30 west stays west of 30W" no longer holds good.
Busting the alcohol rules will always bring trouble and quite rightly so.
Rgds r20deg
You seemed to prefer an Emirates style of a crew being fearful of causing waves for anyone more senior. Indeed you propose it is better to not get caught rather than to not get coked.
Your reply to me contradicts my intetpretation of your post, so I do apologise if I got it wrong and we are on the same page.
There have been several posts made in this thread, discussing why the now disgraced pilot would discuss his exploits with a member of the cabin crew. I can't have been the only one, surely, to have noted the single sentence comment (highlighted in the attached screen-capture, taken from The Sun article linked in the opening post of this thread)? This comment, made by the female cabin crew member in the opening remarks of their fateful digital conversation, strongly suggests that she and the pilot were already engaged in some sort of relationship outside of his marriage.
The pilot seems to have thought that discussing other illicit down-route goings-on with her would be just fine, as the pair of them were likely already indulging in, or had previously had, an extra-marital relationship. In any event, he was stupid enough to risk his marriage and career.
Additionally, he clearly doesn't have the critical reasoning ability to see the danger in writing to her about his illegal behavior. It seems to be a trait common to many who have grown up closely with, and live their lives on, the internet - they don't seem to have a clue about where rational boundaries lie.
He has now permanently removed himself from employability as a professional pilot. With his photos all over the internet, employment of any meaningful sort is going to be very difficult!
The pilot seems to have thought that discussing other illicit down-route goings-on with her would be just fine, as the pair of them were likely already indulging in, or had previously had, an extra-marital relationship. In any event, he was stupid enough to risk his marriage and career.
Additionally, he clearly doesn't have the critical reasoning ability to see the danger in writing to her about his illegal behavior. It seems to be a trait common to many who have grown up closely with, and live their lives on, the internet - they don't seem to have a clue about where rational boundaries lie.
He has now permanently removed himself from employability as a professional pilot. With his photos all over the internet, employment of any meaningful sort is going to be very difficult!
"One moments thoughtlesness can cause a life times regret" comes to mind.
This lad has paid a very high price as already mentioned. He made a mistake. We have sll made mistakes and done silly things and will continue to do so.
Let this be a lesson to us. All.
At least his mistske hasn't killed anyone. I hope he receives treatment for his possible addiction and proffessional help. He could be at risk of suicide
I hope BA get him the help he will need. Or will he be just thrown to the wolves?
This lad has paid a very high price as already mentioned. He made a mistake. We have sll made mistakes and done silly things and will continue to do so.
Let this be a lesson to us. All.
At least his mistske hasn't killed anyone. I hope he receives treatment for his possible addiction and proffessional help. He could be at risk of suicide
I hope BA get him the help he will need. Or will he be just thrown to the wolves?
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Having read the posts I am surprised that there has beeen no ( ? ) reference to the fact that with some ( lots ? ) of men, if they have had a drink and are horny, then the little brain between their legs completely over-rules the big brain in their head: consequence be damned .
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There have been several posts made in this thread, discussing why the now disgraced pilot would discuss his exploits with a member of the cabin crew. I can't have been the only one, surely, to have noted the single sentence comment (highlighted in the attached screen-capture, taken from The Sun article linked in the opening post of this thread)? This comment, made by the female cabin crew member in the opening remarks of their fateful digital conversation, strongly suggests that she and the pilot were already engaged in some sort of relationship outside of his marriage.
The pilot seems to have thought that discussing other illicit down-route goings-on with her would be just fine, as the pair of them were likely already indulging in, or had previously had, an extra-marital relationship. In any event, he was stupid enough to risk his marriage and career.
Additionally, he clearly doesn't have the critical reasoning ability to see the danger in writing to her about his illegal behavior. It seems to be a trait common to many who have grown up closely with, and live their lives on, the internet - they don't seem to have a clue about where rational boundaries lie.
He has now permanently removed himself from employability as a professional pilot. With his photos all over the internet, employment of any meaningful sort is going to be very difficult!
The pilot seems to have thought that discussing other illicit down-route goings-on with her would be just fine, as the pair of them were likely already indulging in, or had previously had, an extra-marital relationship. In any event, he was stupid enough to risk his marriage and career.
Additionally, he clearly doesn't have the critical reasoning ability to see the danger in writing to her about his illegal behavior. It seems to be a trait common to many who have grown up closely with, and live their lives on, the internet - they don't seem to have a clue about where rational boundaries lie.
He has now permanently removed himself from employability as a professional pilot. With his photos all over the internet, employment of any meaningful sort is going to be very difficult!
I think what is more interesting to observe is that he felt comfortable detailing his behaviour in a written/recorded format to a fellow crew member within the same time frame as the trip/return leg. To me; that says a lot more about the company culture surrounding such behaviour.
If this was an outlier in terms of actions/bahviour then wouldn't they know well enough to keep it to themselves and not broadcast it in a format that can be recorded? The contents of the texts appear to me as if it is the
bragging report of some regular antics down-route.
*I'm leaving in the spelling error because it made me laugh
If this was an outlier in terms of actions/bahviour then wouldn't they know well enough to keep it to themselves and not broadcast it in a format that can be recorded? The contents of the texts appear to me as if it is the
bragging report of some regular antics down-route.*I'm leaving in the spelling error because it made me laugh
As for the pilot detailing what supposedly went on into writing that night to anybody, let alone a fellow crew member.....I really really can't begin to think what on earth motivated that.
I was referring to both the exams and the practical requirements. The "statistics" come from the Office of National Statistics. It is interesting to see the dramatic change in national average academic performance between the 2011 and 2021 census.
Nurse and paramedic are both 3/4 year degree level qualifications with embedded work experience. ATPL is roughly 18 months, so substantially less
Nurse and paramedic are both 3/4 year degree level qualifications with embedded work experience. ATPL is roughly 18 months, so substantially less
Ive done both a degree at a serious U.K. university and an ATPL. ATPL’s are learning by rote. Zero critical thinking required. (At least it was 20 years ago. I doubt much has changed)
I left school at 15 with nothing. Yet I got through the system and finished up on 4 engined heavy jets. Now, with my lack of academic qualifications I wouldn't get into a ATO for a 2 year sausage factory course.
Why don't they make it a post graduate doctorate and be done with it.
You can't learn flare, aptitude or ability in a class room. You are either born with it or not.
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Why do they blindly insist on a degree for everything now?You need a degree to be a copper. Now a nurse. What's next? Bin man?. Or should I say refuge operative? No disrespect.
I left school at 15 with nothing. Yet I got through the system and finished up on 4 engined heavy jets. Now, with my lack of academic qualifications I wouldn't get into a ATO for a 2 year sausage factory course.
Ahy don't they make it a post graduate doroctate and be done with it.
You can learn flare, aptitude or ability in a class room. You are either born with it or not.
I left school at 15 with nothing. Yet I got through the system and finished up on 4 engined heavy jets. Now, with my lack of academic qualifications I wouldn't get into a ATO for a 2 year sausage factory course.
Ahy don't they make it a post graduate doroctate and be done with it.
You can learn flare, aptitude or ability in a class room. You are either born with it or not.