Light show between 40 and 30 West
Most of the Starlink satellites are at a 53deg inclined orbit.
This means that they will appear to be tracking north as they approach 53N, then appear to stop and then track south. That's a likely explanation for the "they can't be satellites because they change direction" assumptions.
There are also newer satellites at 43deg inclined orbit, and some polar ones at 97.6deg.
You can see them all here: https://beta.starlink.sx
This means that they will appear to be tracking north as they approach 53N, then appear to stop and then track south. That's a likely explanation for the "they can't be satellites because they change direction" assumptions.
There are also newer satellites at 43deg inclined orbit, and some polar ones at 97.6deg.
You can see them all here: https://beta.starlink.sx
For those who have an Insta account, this is a public post made by Instagram user *Dominicafc84*, apparently skipper at ET 350s.
Marvellous indeed...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2CtVhBMsry/
Marvellous indeed...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2CtVhBMsry/
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For those who have an Insta account, this is a public post made by Instagram user *Dominicafc84*, apparently skipper at ET 350s.
Marvellous indeed...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2CtVhBMsry/
Marvellous indeed...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2CtVhBMsry/
Yes, looks like the sun briefly being reflected off the underneath (planet facing) part of some satellites in different orbits. They fade in and out but are all going in straight lines, just different directions. Fascinating to see but easily explained.
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More lights seen over Canada by pilots last week...
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/ufos...ries-1.6748300
Although the article quotes one pilot as saying "Definitely not satellites,", another pilot says it is satellites " we saw them before I think it's just like with reflection from the Sun, it matches the position of the sun if we look on on different apps".
Audio Transcript:
Again the evidence suggest that these were just Starlink Satellites. The Sitrec flare prediction software shows that Starlink Flares would have been visible from over the Canadian Prairies at 1040Z 19 Jan 24.
Simulator link: Sitrec nightsky (metabunk.org) needs desktop browser.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/ufos...ries-1.6748300
Pilots describe 'bizarre' lights and 'triangles' over Canada in air traffic control audio
Pilots describe 'bizarre' lights and 'triangles' over Canada in air traffic control audio
Early on Jan. 19, several pilots reported "multiple lights sometimes in a triangle formation(opens in a new tab)" high above the Canadian Prairies.
"I had a company aircraft over Thunder Bay suggest, he thinks it possibly could be satellites," an air traffic controller in Winnipeg told aviators around 4:45 am local time, according to audio obtained by CTVNews.ca.
"I'm certainly no expert, but they're moving side-to-side and then going away from each other and then forming triangles," an Air Canada pilot from Seattle to Winnipeg replied while flying over Saskatchewan. "That doesn't really seem like they're in any type of orbit. But I mean, I'm no expert."
"Yeah, it's quite bizarre," a pilot on a nearby Flair Airlines flight from Vancouver to Toronto added. "There's around six of them just randomly in formation flying at a high altitude at 12 o'clock."
"Definitely not satellites," a pilot on a Morningstar Air Express cargo flight from Calgary to Toronto interjected. "It's unlike anything I've ever seen in the 15 years of night flying that I've done."
You can listen to their conversation here.
The 13-minute clip was culled from 2.5 hours of raw audio downloaded from two feeds at LiveATC.net(opens in a new tab), a website that streams and archives air traffic control radio. Edited for length, the original conversations between pilots and air traffic controllers took place from approximately 4:20 a.m. to 6 a.m. CST.
"There's no active airspace, military airspace, anything like that we're aware of," an air traffic controller said on Jan. 19. "I honestly have no idea what that might be."
At least four aircraft reported seeing the lights that morning, including Flair and Morningstar jets, and two Air Canada flights. They estimated the lights were well above them, as high as 100,000 feet (30,480 metres), which is beyond the reach of most fighter jets. Two other crews also chimed in to say they've recently had similar sightings over Canada.
"I haven't seen them tonight, but we've been seeing those lights for probably the last 18 months or so, just for your information," a pilot on a Cargojet flight from Hamilton, Ont. to Winnipeg reported.
"Wow, that's interesting," a WestJet pilot flying from Winnipeg to Toronto replied. "I've had it but only ever going westbound, with three or four like that over the last month or so."
"I've never seen them eastbound, only westbound," the Cargojet pilot added. "And yeah, same thing too: movement all over, sometimes they make a triangle, sometimes they make a diamond and square. They're bright and they just appear all over."
"Sure be nice to get answers on that, for sure," another pilot said.
"I had a company aircraft over Thunder Bay suggest, he thinks it possibly could be satellites," an air traffic controller in Winnipeg told aviators around 4:45 am local time, according to audio obtained by CTVNews.ca.
"I'm certainly no expert, but they're moving side-to-side and then going away from each other and then forming triangles," an Air Canada pilot from Seattle to Winnipeg replied while flying over Saskatchewan. "That doesn't really seem like they're in any type of orbit. But I mean, I'm no expert."
"Yeah, it's quite bizarre," a pilot on a nearby Flair Airlines flight from Vancouver to Toronto added. "There's around six of them just randomly in formation flying at a high altitude at 12 o'clock."
"Definitely not satellites," a pilot on a Morningstar Air Express cargo flight from Calgary to Toronto interjected. "It's unlike anything I've ever seen in the 15 years of night flying that I've done."
You can listen to their conversation here.
The 13-minute clip was culled from 2.5 hours of raw audio downloaded from two feeds at LiveATC.net(opens in a new tab), a website that streams and archives air traffic control radio. Edited for length, the original conversations between pilots and air traffic controllers took place from approximately 4:20 a.m. to 6 a.m. CST.
"There's no active airspace, military airspace, anything like that we're aware of," an air traffic controller said on Jan. 19. "I honestly have no idea what that might be."
At least four aircraft reported seeing the lights that morning, including Flair and Morningstar jets, and two Air Canada flights. They estimated the lights were well above them, as high as 100,000 feet (30,480 metres), which is beyond the reach of most fighter jets. Two other crews also chimed in to say they've recently had similar sightings over Canada.
"I haven't seen them tonight, but we've been seeing those lights for probably the last 18 months or so, just for your information," a pilot on a Cargojet flight from Hamilton, Ont. to Winnipeg reported.
"Wow, that's interesting," a WestJet pilot flying from Winnipeg to Toronto replied. "I've had it but only ever going westbound, with three or four like that over the last month or so."
"I've never seen them eastbound, only westbound," the Cargojet pilot added. "And yeah, same thing too: movement all over, sometimes they make a triangle, sometimes they make a diamond and square. They're bright and they just appear all over."
"Sure be nice to get answers on that, for sure," another pilot said.
Audio Transcript:
Again the evidence suggest that these were just Starlink Satellites. The Sitrec flare prediction software shows that Starlink Flares would have been visible from over the Canadian Prairies at 1040Z 19 Jan 24.
Simulator link: Sitrec nightsky (metabunk.org) needs desktop browser.
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So, managed to see these again tonight after about a 2 year gap (Atlantic, canaries to Northern Europe). We let it freak out one of our cabin crew until we explained the Starlink perspective. It’s great fun to watch though. Proper close encounters stuff.
Hi there,
didnt want to open an own topic. Yesterday the European ERS-2 satellite, quite a big chunk of space hardware was plunging into the pacific ocean somewhere on the path Vancouver->Honolulu.
The entry into atmosphere was according to ESA at 21/FEB/2024 17:17 UTC. Anyone enjoyed a good light show over the northern pacific yesterday?
https://www.esa.int/Space_Safety/Spa..._Pacific_Ocean
Until now no witness reports in the media, or social media.
didnt want to open an own topic. Yesterday the European ERS-2 satellite, quite a big chunk of space hardware was plunging into the pacific ocean somewhere on the path Vancouver->Honolulu.
The entry into atmosphere was according to ESA at 21/FEB/2024 17:17 UTC. Anyone enjoyed a good light show over the northern pacific yesterday?
https://www.esa.int/Space_Safety/Spa..._Pacific_Ocean
Until now no witness reports in the media, or social media.
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Another article has been posted about pilots who have seen 'UFOs' recently that are probably the starlink flares phenomenon.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/da...n-over-tyrkiet (In danish)
Google Translate: https://www-dr-dk.translate.goog/nyh..._x_tr_pto=wapp
On an evening flight from Turkey a few weeks ago, a Danish pilot saw a phenomenon in the sky that he still has difficulty explaining.
From his cockpit of the airliner, the pilot saw two very bright lights high above him. It looked like the two lights were chasing each other.
- It is some kind of dogfight (air duel, ed.) that is going on, he says.
- I just sit and look at it. My colleague can see it too and says: 'What is that?'
This is what the pilot Peter tells DR's podcast Flyvende platelle, which deals precisely with observations of UFOs - inexplicable flying objects.
He took out his iPhone and recorded the videos you can see in the article.
The video recordings only began about fifteen minutes after Peter had discovered the two lights. He therefore did not manage to capture the first part, which he describes as a kind of aerial duel.
The pilot does not want us to mention his surname or tell which company he flies for, for the sake of his employer, but DR knows his identity.
But in fact he is far from the only pilot who shares and talks about these kinds of experiences.
It is considered more correct, as it is not known whether in all cases it is a question of flying objects.
Then the front one will be completely glowing red just like it has indicated. "Okay you got me".
PETER, DANISH PILOTThe former fighter pilot Sřren Sřrensen, who is a co-host on Flyvende platel, believes that it is important that pilots share their experiences and any recordings.
Nor can he explain the lights on the pilot Peter's recording.
He notices that the lights seem to be above the passenger plane's position at an altitude of 10-12 kilometers.
Even the most advanced aircraft that he knows of cannot maneuver like that at that altitude.
- It is very difficult to achieve with the technologies we know about today. I myself have been up at those heights with the F-16, and there the air is so thin that the engine does not produce very much horsepower, and the wings do not carry very much, he explains.
The same applies to satellites, which are typically in a fixed orbit.
- They don't fly in a zigzag like that, says the former fighter pilot.
He also does not believe that some kind of glare from the cabin from which the video was filmed is a likely explanation.
- The pilots are used to that, and there will be such a mirror effect, just like when you look into a window, he says.
However, he emphasizes that he could be wrong and there could be explanations or technologies that he is not aware of.
YouTube video showing what looks like Starlink Satellites flaring near the horizon.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/da...n-over-tyrkiet (In danish)
Google Translate: https://www-dr-dk.translate.goog/nyh..._x_tr_pto=wapp
Danish pilot filmed inexplicable lights in the sky over Turkey
UFO sightings have become less taboo among pilots, says the podcast host.On an evening flight from Turkey a few weeks ago, a Danish pilot saw a phenomenon in the sky that he still has difficulty explaining.
From his cockpit of the airliner, the pilot saw two very bright lights high above him. It looked like the two lights were chasing each other.
- It is some kind of dogfight (air duel, ed.) that is going on, he says.
- I just sit and look at it. My colleague can see it too and says: 'What is that?'
This is what the pilot Peter tells DR's podcast Flyvende platelle, which deals precisely with observations of UFOs - inexplicable flying objects.
He took out his iPhone and recorded the videos you can see in the article.
The video recordings only began about fifteen minutes after Peter had discovered the two lights. He therefore did not manage to capture the first part, which he describes as a kind of aerial duel.
The pilot does not want us to mention his surname or tell which company he flies for, for the sake of his employer, but DR knows his identity.
But in fact he is far from the only pilot who shares and talks about these kinds of experiences.
Fighter pilot cannot explain observation
Today, many more often use the term UAP - Unidentified Abnormal Phenomena - instead of ufo - Unidentified Flying Object.It is considered more correct, as it is not known whether in all cases it is a question of flying objects.
Then the front one will be completely glowing red just like it has indicated. "Okay you got me".
PETER, DANISH PILOTThe former fighter pilot Sřren Sřrensen, who is a co-host on Flyvende platel, believes that it is important that pilots share their experiences and any recordings.
Nor can he explain the lights on the pilot Peter's recording.
He notices that the lights seem to be above the passenger plane's position at an altitude of 10-12 kilometers.
Even the most advanced aircraft that he knows of cannot maneuver like that at that altitude.
- It is very difficult to achieve with the technologies we know about today. I myself have been up at those heights with the F-16, and there the air is so thin that the engine does not produce very much horsepower, and the wings do not carry very much, he explains.
Writes off satellites and drones
Since drones are subject to the same physical conditions as planes, it is also not a likely explanation that it is someone like that that Peter filmed, explains Sřren Sřrensen.The same applies to satellites, which are typically in a fixed orbit.
- They don't fly in a zigzag like that, says the former fighter pilot.
He also does not believe that some kind of glare from the cabin from which the video was filmed is a likely explanation.
- The pilots are used to that, and there will be such a mirror effect, just like when you look into a window, he says.
However, he emphasizes that he could be wrong and there could be explanations or technologies that he is not aware of.
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I've seen them often on the UK - Far East routes. Taken some video and still not sure what they are.
I've seen plenty of Starlink - I'm sure it's not Starlink. they move in ways that not seem possible with technology that I am aware of, but maybe that's the point, its tech that is being developed by th military that we have no idea about.
In all I've seen them about 6/7 times, with different colleagues who all saw them to.
I've seen plenty of Starlink - I'm sure it's not Starlink. they move in ways that not seem possible with technology that I am aware of, but maybe that's the point, its tech that is being developed by th military that we have no idea about.
In all I've seen them about 6/7 times, with different colleagues who all saw them to.
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They're not moving in ways not possible with current technology, it's several satellite formations moving in separate orbits flaring at similar times and your perspective / angle that you're viewing it from. Watch the videos explaining it all. It's different satellites giving the appearance of one (or a few) changing direction mid-orbit. All an illusion. Fun to watch though, seriously freaky when you see it for the first time on a dark night over the ocean!
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Definitely satellites, I took a time lapse last time I saw them and my phone managed some good low light performance for once making them visible for longer.
I don’t know how to upload the video from my iPhone.
I don’t know how to upload the video from my iPhone.
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seen satellite flares for decades, however have never seen them deviate from straight trajectories
... then would this not be visible from somewhere every night ? Have there been any reports from the ground observers ?
It is Starlink!
Or other LEO satellites like OneWeb, Kuiper, Lightspeed...
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Commonly seeing this starlink flaring behaviour across Australia, a few hours before sunrise.
Captured this shot recently of a chain traversing the sky - visible with naked eye.
Captured this shot recently of a chain traversing the sky - visible with naked eye.
