Air France crew fighting
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For anyone wanting to look into the issue of "cultural influences" on airline safety I posted a lengthy discussion on my PiCMA site. I'd be interested in hearing comments on what I say there.
"Culture" - pilots, national and airline. | PicMA
"Culture" - pilots, national and airline. | PicMA
Indeed Flying Coyote, always the same good old basic French bashing coming back , which is now left on my the mods as it raises traffic (and revenue ). Was a bit different when the site was moderated by its founder, Danny , but we have to accept it is a commercial site now and endure this.,. That said, Mods, when I see posts like this one here :
It indicate clearly that the poster is not a Professional pilot and making a pure racist remark, which is not really acceptable in todays 'world.
It indicate clearly that the poster is not a Professional pilot and making a pure racist remark, which is not really acceptable in todays 'world.
Maybe it’s time you frequented another forum if it’s really as bad as you say it is or go and grab another beer and chill!
It’s a correct ship number for a Delta flight. Delta however never conducts new hire training with a LCA on the jumpseat. New hires are added to the LCA’s line and he occupies a control seat. Seems odd unless the CA was receiving a line check and the new hire had already completed all training and was on a regular trip.
It’s a correct ship number for a Delta flight. Delta however never conducts new hire training with a LCA on the jumpseat. New hires are added to the LCA’s line and he occupies a control seat. Seems odd unless the CA was receiving a line check and the new hire had already completed all training and was on a regular trip.
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I find this hard to believe but there is another report out there claiming an Air France crew that was waiting to takeoff with an Airbus 350 was cleared to position and then cleared for takeoff and added takeoff power only to realize that one of its engines was still shutdown... If true then this incredible even for Air France!
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https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises...ls-928608.html
For anyone wanting to look into the issue of "cultural influences" on airline safety I posted a lengthy discussion on my PiCMA site. I'd be interested in hearing comments on what I say there.
"Culture" - pilots, national and airline. | PicMA
"Culture" - pilots, national and airline. | PicMA
A close look into our own glass houses is worthwhile pre-launch of stones and other objects. On occasions the events within a culturally disctinct group doesn't turn out as expected, people is people.
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FDR, I guess you saw my brief references to Hofstede's work then? I don't have the originals - I just checked and as the one you mention is £100 probably won't in the near future unfortunately. If you have any comments (especially in the light of 1st sentence, 2nd paragraph) please PM me. Or were you referring to the tone of a few of the other posts?
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I would not say that was a cultural issue but rather gross incompetence by all in the cockpit.
Flight 548 had culture as major causal factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ays_Flight_548
Flight 548 had culture as major causal factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ays_Flight_548
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I would not say that was a cultural issue but rather gross incompetence by all in the cockpit.
Flight 548 had culture as major causal factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ays_Flight_548
Flight 548 had culture as major causal factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ays_Flight_548
But AF also had a cultural problem , identified and attempted to be corrected may times. After AF447 athings did change , except for the 5 or 10% at the top that still think that their judgements are better that the SOPs , and, for instance, a management that (still apparently) supports modifying the Manufacturers Flight manuals possibly under the pressure of those same 5-10%.
The French BEA was for many years subject to pressures from the "gang of 3 " ( DGAC, AF and Airbus) in minimizing incidents where they were involved , and what has changed recently in their increased independence and willingness to publish critical reports , that sometimes get media attention . Will it change things ? No sure, cultural changes takes generations to take effect,. The British and the US started to address this earlier and are far better at this , but recent incidents and accidents show that no-one is immune to a bad culture ..
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AF447 was very much a culturally related accident. Yes, certainly incompetence played it's part but only because the prevailing pilot culture in Air France had allowed it to develop to such a significant degree. Air France are the latest in a line of airlines which have suffered from pilot culture becoming toxic and dangerous. The phenomenon can be first identified with Pan Am - the 'Clipper Skipper'. Other airlines that have been affected have been Korean Airlines (a culture based on seniority and deference to ex-military captains) and China Airlines. In all cases this has led to fatal accidents and has been characterized by an arrogance and disregard of sensible procedure and professionalism. A further significant element is the willingness to tolerate and protect individuals who have deficient skillsets because they fit in with the toxic culture. Korean and China Airlines seem to have taken steps to rectify the situation but Pan Am never did and Air France seem to be struggling to find solutions.
A note on culture - it is not just perceived national characteristics but how individuals are expected to act and behave in a specific group environment. It can be influenced by many factors and can be either positive, neutral or destructive.
A note on culture - it is not just perceived national characteristics but how individuals are expected to act and behave in a specific group environment. It can be influenced by many factors and can be either positive, neutral or destructive.
