Swiss airspace closed
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Swiss airspace closed
Seem major IT failure: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...fic-controller
Whatever the root cause I find it rather incredible - they should be able to deliver basic ATC service no matter what.
UPDATE: Some flights departing LSGG (830Z). Wonder how they prioritise as it seems pretty random (Mykonos, Athens, Marrakesh, Lisbon being the first destination serviced).
Whatever the root cause I find it rather incredible - they should be able to deliver basic ATC service no matter what.
UPDATE: Some flights departing LSGG (830Z). Wonder how they prioritise as it seems pretty random (Mykonos, Athens, Marrakesh, Lisbon being the first destination serviced).
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For all intent and purpose (ATC, border control, regulation) BSL is a French airport. With some exceptions / provisions for a "swiss" and a "german" sector. But it is France who runs the show.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61808465
Flights in and out of Switzerland have been suspended and Swiss airspace closed because of a computer failure at air traffic control service Skyguide.
Geneva and Zurich halted flights, although Geneva airport announced air traffic was gradually resuming.
Skyguide said a technical malfunction ( hardware failure reported ) in the early hours of Wednesday meant that Swiss airspace had to be closed to traffic for "safety reasons".
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Flights in and out of Switzerland have been suspended and Swiss airspace closed because of a computer failure at air traffic control service Skyguide.
Geneva and Zurich halted flights, although Geneva airport announced air traffic was gradually resuming.
Skyguide said a technical malfunction ( hardware failure reported ) in the early hours of Wednesday meant that Swiss airspace had to be closed to traffic for "safety reasons".
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Originally Posted by zambonidriver
Seem major IT failure: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...fic-controller
Whatever the root cause I find it rather incredible - they should be able to deliver basic ATC service no matter what.
UPDATE: Some flights departing LSGG (830Z). Wonder how they prioritise as it seems pretty random (Mykonos, Athens, Marrakesh, Lisbon being the first destination serviced).
Whatever the root cause I find it rather incredible - they should be able to deliver basic ATC service no matter what.
UPDATE: Some flights departing LSGG (830Z). Wonder how they prioritise as it seems pretty random (Mykonos, Athens, Marrakesh, Lisbon being the first destination serviced).
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Whatever the root cause I find it rather incredible - they should be able to deliver basic ATC service no matter what.
I suppose like the ones you get in places that have no radar and procedurally separate on position reports and altitude/FL.
Maybe they were sold a system that claimed such low downtime that it didn’t seem worth keeping a manual backup?
Maybe they were sold a system that claimed such low downtime that it didn’t seem worth keeping a manual backup?
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Originally Posted by FullWings
I suppose like the ones you get in places that have no radar and procedurally separate on position reports and altitude/FL.
Maybe they were sold a system that claimed such low downtime that it didn’t seem worth keeping a manual backup?
Maybe they were sold a system that claimed such low downtime that it didn’t seem worth keeping a manual backup?
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It was an approximately 2 hour 30 outage by the looks of it during which they shut the whole airspace down, even VFR (quite a lot of VFR flights appear not to have gotten the NOTAM in time though). All arrivals to ZRH and GVA were diverted and outbounds held. Apparently Altenrhein (LSZR) was able to launch their Vienna flight across the border to Germany.
We don't know the extent of the outage yet only that they were not even able to produce the NOTAM themselves but had to enlist help from Austria. So the question is, if the radio systems (VHF) kept working or not.
If some sort of "basic service" such as uncontrolled approaches out of a holding outside the FIR for instance would have been possible for the longhauls is debatable but not really something done here.
We don't know the extent of the outage yet only that they were not even able to produce the NOTAM themselves but had to enlist help from Austria. So the question is, if the radio systems (VHF) kept working or not.
If some sort of "basic service" such as uncontrolled approaches out of a holding outside the FIR for instance would have been possible for the longhauls is debatable but not really something done here.
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I suppose like the ones you get in places that have no radar and procedurally separate on position reports and altitude/FL.
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Jesus ! Which year are you stuck in ? ? Procedural ATC is no longer available in European continental airspace, since decades. no tools for that anymore ( strip boards) nobody is trained anymore to do it either. . It is all 100% digital , if the screens go blank, you have zero info.
Simple analogy : if you read a book on your tablet or Kindle and it breaks down , you cannot continue to read unless you have bought the paper book as a back up .
Well most if not all ANSPs have decided buying paper books for back ups were too expensive and teaching people to read on paper would be a waste of time and money.
So here you go. Welcome to the 21st century..
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Simple analogy : if you read a book on your tablet or Kindle and it breaks down , you cannot continue to read unless you have bought the paper book as a back up .
Well most if not all ANSPs have decided buying paper books for back ups were too expensive and teaching people to read on paper would be a waste of time and money.
So here you go. Welcome to the 21st century..
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I did a TRUCE day at Swanwick not that long ago (within the last 10 years I think?) and one of the practice sessions was a fallback to pen and paper as the screens blanked one after the other. I don’t think they’d start the day like that but at the moment the system fails there are still aircraft in the sky that need deconflicting...
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Originally Posted by FullWings
I did a TRUCE day at Swanwick not that long ago (within the last 10 years I think?) and one of the practice sessions was a fallback to pen and paper as the screens blanked one after the other. I don’t think they’d start the day like that but at the moment the system fails there are still aircraft in the sky that need deconflicting...
And a second question … would this event qualify for a Swiss accident investigation organisation report ?
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Originally Posted by FullWings
I did a TRUCE day at Swanwick not that long ago (within the last 10 years I think?) and one of the practice sessions was a fallback to pen and paper as the screens blanked one after the other. I don’t think they’d start the day like that but at the moment the system fails there are still aircraft in the sky that need deconflicting...
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That begs the question… how did they deal with the guys in the sky today ?
And a second question … would this event qualify for a Swiss accident investigation organization report ?
And a second question … would this event qualify for a Swiss accident investigation organization report ?
