BA's pay offer!

[Hot Wings]

BA is offering its pilots a whopping great pay increase of:

a). 1% back dated to Jan 2002

or

b). 2% from July 2002 with FHR increasing by 2% from Feb. Holiday pay to be paid as usual.

This is on the back of 0% for 2000 and 1.8% for 2001. I figure that a rise of 10% is needed just to get us back to where we were in 1999. So much for being rewarded for increased productivity! I'd think very carefully about booking any flights on BA from October onwards.

[Notso Fantastic]

Comment is superfluous! When GMMs?

[Hot Wings]

Also, word from CC89 is that the IR will soon be taxing all of our allowances.

[Shuttleworth]

Thank goodness Darke has gone - he might possibly have accepted it on our behalf!

[Hot Wings]

Shuttleworth - I'm sure he would have got an extra 0.5% knocked off!

[FL390]

Assuming that inflation will be 2.5% this year - it's not a very good show "Hot Rod," eh? I wonder how much of a pay increase you will get....

Still, if benefits are taxed, Eddingtion's thousands of £ of benefits will also get taxed - a slight consolation perhaps...

[Thunderbug]

Maybe Rod should take a leaf out of Southwest Airlines book on management!

here....

[Jacksman]

You BA lot really should realise how good you have it, we at British European, a.k.a. Jersey European and now FlyBE.Com ! have had ZERO % for nearly 4 years and so please put this in perspective- a JY jet captain in year 1 can expect about £44,000 with about £3500 allowances to make your P60 show around £48K if you are lucky - end of story. Good luck to you all in your desperate struggle.

[Robert Vesco]

Wow ! Santa Claus has arrived !

Good luck to y´all @ BA !

[overstress]

(Hums) "...this could be the start of something big..."

-or it could be the end of BA - they can't afford the loss of revenue that a falloff in bookings due to threatened strike action will bring...

[Jet II]

Thunderbug

Good luck to the Southwest guys - however as several posters say in that forum - it is down to good management and good finanacial results.

These are two things that are distinctly missing in BA.

[Pink Baron]

Take a look at the EK "tax free" package posted by BigBrutha if the "Grass is greener"!

[Land ASAP]

Jackman,

I forgot my violin. Could I borrow yours?

[anawanahuanana]

Here we go again........

You get enough already. And I`m sure I`ll start to hear all the usual "but pilots everywhere else get better". If so, get a job somewhere that pays better. There must be a reason that you stay at B.A (pension, expenses to name a couple).

"But there aren`t any jobs out there at the moment". So just be grateful that you`ve got a job when a lot of others haven`t.

The engineers who work all hours in the worst conditions are only worth 2%. What makes you deserve more? I`ve yet to hear a persuasive argument.

I`m fed up with always hearing "we`ll just go on strike". That`s right, take a company that`s in a bad enough shape as it is, and ruin it some more. I`m fairly sure you can afford your mortgages, so quit your moaning for Gods sake

Bring on the moans..................

[Gaza]

Assuming that inflation will be 2.5% this year

Inflation is closer to 1.5% than 2.5%.

As someone who has not seen a salary increase for three years, please forgive me for not shedding any tears. In times of economic turmoil we have to be prepared to make sacrifices. It is not just the airline industry that is suffering - manufacturing, advertising, IT - are all facing their biggest slump in decades. Few, if any, people in those industries are likely to see salary increases.

We may not like it, but sometimes it is better to forgo a salary increase but still have a job, than to bring a company to its knees with very damaging strike action and find ourselves unemployed. Just look at Sabena.

The time for action is when things have improved sufficiently but management continue to take a hard line. At least in those circumstances they have something give.

Food for thought:-

"Here lies the body of John O'Day, who died defending his right-of-way.
He was dead right as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

[Double Entry]

I for one think that as BA pilots we should work for nowt. Aye, just the HONOUR of working for such a loved and respected instition should be reward enough.

Plus that way we could employ some more managers, and we could have some even more restrictive practices for the other groups in the company, and an extra man in the tug too. Why not.

[Airbubba]

>>I for one think that as BA pilots we should work for nowt. Aye, just the HONOUR of working for such a loved and respected instition should be reward enough.<<

There is a lament often heard in the expat world "Give a Brit a uniform and he'll work for nothing".

Unfortunately, there seems to be some truth to it judging from the wages.

Of course, there is a lot of genuine pride in working for your country's flag carrier, but the higher wages do help with the kids' college bills...

[acbus1]

I work for a quite large outfit , as a Capt. of some years, and can't really say that I sympathise for the following reasons:-

A BA F/O takes home as much as I , A BA Capt. takes home as much in allowances as I do in salary plus allowances .

I've seen the figures ( and the houses , cars , pensions etc. )

You lot live on another planet ! Get real !

Anyway , got to go , my Cortina needs fixing again .

[Notso Fantastic]

You are the reason it is better for BA pilots to discuss this in private! Go wallow in your poverty- you obviously prefer it to pilots doing something to improve themselves. In this case, it is not BA pilots 'improving' themselves, it is trying to recover from 10 years of excessively tight pay restraint. I should sell your computer and put the money into unit trusts for your retirement if your income is THAT bad! But I really feel you do not have a constructive input here!

[acbus1]

I thought the suggestion to "get real" WAS constructive . Apologies if not .

Selling my computer and investing in unit trusts still leaves me approximately £39600 p.a. short !