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Boeing 737 Max Recertification Testing - Finally.

Old 3rd Dec 2020, 15:49
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Ryanair has ordered another 75 today bringing their MAXes, pardon 737 8-200, to 210 aircraft ordered.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 19:32
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Alaska is also planning to add to their 737-8 fleet - although via lease rather than additional purchases.
It'll be interesting to see if this is just a reaction to rock bottom pricing, or if the MAX might actually make a recovery.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 20:46
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American Airlines starts Boeing 737 Max flights to boost confidence in jets after fatal crashes American Airlines starts Boeing 737 Max flights to boost confidence in jets after fatal crashes (msn.com)
Five flights will be operated with airline staff on board, to show the employees have confidence in this aircraft. There is a very good story about these flights in Flightglobal. American Airlines are doing the right thing. Apart from this, airlines should give free passes to their employees on the flights they operate. Considering, of course, the regulations which are in force. The idea is not new - my first flight to the U.S. was on a Finnair DC 8 Combi, AMS-JFK. In order to fill the seats, Finnair gave away free tickets on the new route to airlines staff. Actually I was the last staff passenger to be given such a ticket, then the loads picked up and were profitable. I am certainly aware, that some airlines offer free travel to their employees already
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How many of these will be orders cancelled by other airlines?
Garage sale!
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coincidentally there are about 75 "white tails" parked in various storage yards in the US. apparently Ryanair will take delivery of the first 50 aircraft from this order in 2021 and park some -800's until things pick up. seems to be very much a garage sale
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The Ryan Air "737-8200" / "737 MAX 8 200" is a unique configuration with 197 passenger seats and a different emergency exit door arrangement.
Boeing have to build and certificate the lead airframe before Ryan Air can take delivery of any.
None of the existing white tails are this model
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I’m sure Airbus are looking carefully at the prices that the MAX is being sold at. Anti dumping rules may come into play if Boeing are discounting too much in order to clear the logjam and get some cash flow moving.

This is the end for the B737, there won’t be a future generation of the type. Getting the MAX back in the air buys time for Boeing to develop a clean sheet replacement, something which should have been done back in the 1990s.

A fantastic deal for Ryanair, a brand new fleet of efficient aircraft with low fuel consumption and high dispatch reliability at a massive discount. Their pax don’t know or care as long as the fare is cheap. A guaranteed buy back and substantial discount may have been offered for when the replacement aircraft becomes available in 5 - 8 years time.
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A guaranteed buy back and substantial discount may have been offered for when the replacement aircraft becomes available in 5 - 8 years time.
It's going to be a lot longer than "5 - 8 years". IF Boeing had the resources to start again on a clean sheet design immediately, EIS would be in roughly 8 years. They don't. Right now they have three priorities - get the 400+ already built 737s delivered, get the 737 production line back on it's feet and delivering aircraft, and get the 777-9X certified and in-service (I've lost count of how many basically complete 777-9X are sitting around Paine Field but it has to be over two dozen). There is simply no money and no resources to devote to a new aircraft program right now, and that's not going to change anytime soon.
It'll be 2025 - at best - before Boeing is back on their feet sufficiently that they can even think of launching an all new aircraft
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If they are cheap enough I would think that Ryanair will pick up the white tails even if they are not to the Ryanair specifications.
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The 737-8200 has been flying for nearly 2 years, albeit not yet on the TC.

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The B737 used to be Boeing's "cash cow" with most of the development costs covered long ago. Now they are selling again but at a steep discount, and airlines are pushing back delivery dates for the B777-X. The B787 may be the major earner for the company over the next few years as operators downgrade to smaller types.

It looks like Boeing will be competing with Airbus more on price then anything else for the medium term, and by the time a replacement type is available, Airbus will likely have something new as well.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 10:30
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With the airbus A321LR and XLR in the mix, would Boeing consider producing a B737MAX-LR version?
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Ryanair doesn't normally get a massive discount, just a respectable one. This is because there is no competition.
MoL made it clear years ago that he wanted an all-737 fleet. Airbus responded by saying it wouldn't bid for future business.
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Old 8th Dec 2020, 17:58
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Interesting article re how long it will take to get pilots and aircraft flight ready once the Max is returned to service.
How Long Will Flight Crew Training Take For Boeing 737 MAX’s Return? | Aviation Week Network
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Ryanair doesn't normally get a massive discount, just a respectable one. This is because there is no competition.
Yesterday during a webinar at Eurocontrol MOL said he got them at a discount and he also said he has 8 Max Sims to train/converts the crews rapidly and will beat Wizz with their A321. . The whole interview is on line and worth to watch/listen with a glass of Guinness. A good Irish show.
https://www.eurocontrol.int/event/eu...k-live-ryanair
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And so it begins...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55243961
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GOL have been gearing up for this for the last week or so, with several of its Max 8 fleet flying ad-hoc services from Belo Horizonte.

I wish them well.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 11:41
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Have those flights before been commercial flights with paying passengers? I guess not. Just management, staff and media. Today they return to commercial operations. Now the MAX is back.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 11:53
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Looks like they are back.

From FlightRadar24 twitter:

638 days after the #737MAX last carried paying passengers and the fleet was grounded worldwide,
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becomes the first airline to return the aircraft to commercial service with #G34104.

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Canada takes first step to approve Boeing 737 Max to fly again
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...-max-1.5845096
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