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Boeing 737 Max Recertification Testing - Finally.

Old 27th Oct 2020, 09:08
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And, I should add to be fair WR 6-3, the legal profession is not the only one who suffers thus. Lets face it, why has the 737 Max so dominated this forum for almost 2 years now? Not humanity's "finest hour"..........
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Old 3rd Nov 2020, 12:21
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Pilot Unions, Crash Families Seek Changes to 737 Max TrainingPilot unions and families of those killed in a crash of Boeing’s 737 MAX are asking for revisions to proposed new training for the grounded jetliner.

The Federal Aviation Administration’s proposed new training module and emergency checklists for the MAX are “clunky at best” and should be streamlined, the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association said in comments filed with the FAA before Monday’s deadline.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-max-training/
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Old 3rd Nov 2020, 21:15
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Public comments (many of which were submitted anonymously) to the FAA draft FSB report on "The Boeing Company 737 Airplane Flight Manual Airspeed Unreliable Non-Normal Checklist" may be accessed on this USFG website (U.S. Fed. Gov't):
https://beta.regulations.gov/documen...8-0001/comment
These comments include those noted or referred to in the news article posted above by Longtimer.
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Old 4th Nov 2020, 16:35
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Thanks for the link.
Is there any timeframe they will need to select changes or coordinate them with other aviation authorities? Will this take more like weeks or months now?
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 12:54
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Relative to timing, first of all, FAA has made it very clear that its decisions about a return to service will not be based on any timeline. And although the earliest indications of this position were articulated some time ago, even before Mullenberg was dismissed, I think the better view is that the "no timeline" position was all-purpose, and thus intended to override even nominal administrative law schedules, if any apply. I think FAA Administrator Dickson was pretty blunt when he rebutted some of Boeing's "it's just around the corner now" tone, though that was months ago.

That said, if there are timeline requirements in the overall FAA process for approving final documents such as the FSB report, or other elements of its pending work (including responses to recently filed comments from various people and groups), this poster has not run across them. I'm not saying it definitively, just that I don't recall seeing deadlines mentioned.

But there is practical timing stuff to be noted. For one thing the next Congress, convening in early January, is clearly geared up for moving major FAA reform legislation, versions of which emerged from committees on both sides of the Hill in the Congress now in lame duck status. What impact a possible change in the office of Secretary of Transportation and FAA Administrator will have on getting at least the return to service work done before things change is a forecast a bit too "iffy" to offer. I mean, the name of the Occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for the next term of office is still undecided, at the Post Office, etc.

At the same time, the 737 MAX debacle is a sorry chapter indeed for FAA and one would think that, strictly as a practical matter, there will be some impetus to get this done as soon as it can be, consistent with the safety and technical requirements which have to be met. And in terms of practicalities, if both senior officials are going to be replaced by new political appointees, then presumably they would want to capstone their legacies before departing the Beltway.

Not least, during the EASA Annual Safety Conference yesterday, it was noted that the aviation sector cannot afford another accident, and reference was made specifically to the accident at Karachi and the overrun of the runway in India. Again working from surmise, even when FAA puts its final stamp of approval on its work, EASA will be under no formal timing requirement, it would appear.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 07:19
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Decision reported to be near

Reuters (and other sources after) reporting that FAA Administrator Steve Dickson has stated that FAA's decision could be made as early as next week - while again reiterating that there is no timeline which overrides the completion of safety assessment and certification assurance work.

Link to Reuters item:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN27P36E
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 15:12
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The DOT secretary will obviously be replaced, but the FAA Administrator is normally a 5 year appointment to provide some stability, and I doubt the new administration will see a reason to replace him early. He's well qualified based on his past career and has demonstrated a balanced, competent approach to the role.
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Dave Therhino, which all makes sense . . . although this is 2020 and . . .

There is a fair lot of agitation about the Democratic administration not retaining anyone who served in the Trump Administration. Not to dispute the merits whatsoever of the FAA Administrator's integrity and service and qualifications, yet what could be a wildcard concern here is the reportedly over-the-top intentions to project "accountability" onto all who served the current president. It would be a great disservice were that to happen insofar as FAA's top job is concerned.

As for the Secretary, well it would not really work to cite the example of Robert Gates, who continued on in the Obama Administration after having served Bush-43 as Secretary of Defense. There is the slightly harsh reality that no matter how strong a case could be made for some continuity, for say 6 months or on that order, somebody with "pull" in the incoming administration would need to look past the Washington Power Couple thing. Still, amidst what is arguably the greatest crisis to confront commercial aviation in many a year, some continuity, for a few months into the new term of office, doesn't seem utterly unrealistic.

Not least, on November 5 as far as I was able to discern, the election was still quite undecided, and so I didn't post about any certainties of rollovers in either office. May we not live much longer in such excessively interesting times.
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 17:13
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Approval for Boeing’s 737 Max Set for Wednesday by U.S. FAA17 November 2020Canadian Aviation NewsFrom BNN Bloomberg – link to source story
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Old 17th Nov 2020, 18:12
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More accurately, the plan is for US regulators to announce on Wednesday the final requirements for allowing the 737 Max to return to service. Whether that means aircraft taking to the air tomorrow remains to be seen.
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Can anyone explain the reason for the following requirement,
'......changing the horizontal stabilizer trim wire routing installations' ?
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Old 18th Nov 2020, 12:02
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FAA document

FAA's return to service official notice:
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...570_FAAWeb.pdf
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Non-compliance with FAA wire separation requirements.
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Old 18th Nov 2020, 12:59
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Just heard Canadain government announce that requirments here will be different than in the US, but will come soon.
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So what's the fundamental change to MCAS ?
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It doesn't restart over and over again.
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Pilot Training requirements long 67 page document. https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_...FSB_Report.pdf
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https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...845846585.htmlStatement by Minister Garneau on Federal Aviation Administration's certification of changes to the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft FranšaisNEWS PROVIDED BY
Transport Canada
Nov 18, 2020, 08:09 ET

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OTTAWA, ON, Nov. 18, 2020 /CNW/ -

"Our government remains committed to keeping Canadians, the travelling public, and the transportation system safe and secure.

"We acknowledge that the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has released an Airworthiness Directive for the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. Through this directive, the FAA is mandating its approved changes made to the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, and confirms it can return to service in U.S. airspace.

"Transport Canada has worked extensively with the FAA and other key certifying authorities, including the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the National Civil Aviation Agency of Brazil (ANAC), as well as the three Canadian operators of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, and their pilot unions throughout the validation process of the aircraft to address all factors necessary toward a safe return to service of the aircraft.

"Transport Canada safety experts continue their independent validation process to determine whether to approve the proposed changes to the aircraft. We expect this process to conclude very soon. However, there will be differences between what the FAA has approved today, and what Canada will require for its operators. These differences will include additional procedures on the flight deck and pre-flight, as well as differences in training.

"The commercial flight restrictions for the operation of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft in Canadian airspace remain in effect and will not be lifted until the department is fully satisfied that all its safety concerns have been addressed, and that enhanced flight crew procedures and training are in place in Canada."

Transport Canada is online at www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to e-news or stay connected through Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Instagram to keep up to date on the latest from Transport Canada.

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SOURCE Transport Canada
For further information: Amy Butcher, Director of Communications and Parliamentary Affairs, Office of the Honourable Marc Garneau, Minister of Transport, Ottawa, [email protected]; Media Relations, Transport Canada, Ottawa, 613-993-0055, [email protected]

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Old 18th Nov 2020, 14:59
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Nov. 18 formal rescission order, FAA Admin.

Formal notice of rescission of grounding, dated Nov. 18, signed by FAA Administrator:

https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_...ding_Order.pdf
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Old 18th Nov 2020, 15:37
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This is one of the clues as to what happened.


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