Fedex Overshoots in Mumbai....
Remembering that videos can be misleading and that we tend to see patterns and fit events to what we perceive; left reverse cancelled before the right - if at all, visual cue from spray pattern.
Consider effect of asymmetric thrust coupled with large nose-wheel steering input on a wet (flooded?) runway, plus crosswind. Or even use of mixed forward / reverse thrust - a mistaken belief that it could help turning.
Similarities with the accident here ? https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20190226-0
Noting that the coupling / direction of excursion was reversed, but so too the direction of aircraft travel !
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/871.pdf
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/868.pdf
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/869.pdf
Consider effect of asymmetric thrust coupled with large nose-wheel steering input on a wet (flooded?) runway, plus crosswind. Or even use of mixed forward / reverse thrust - a mistaken belief that it could help turning.
Similarities with the accident here ? https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20190226-0
Noting that the coupling / direction of excursion was reversed, but so too the direction of aircraft travel !
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/871.pdf
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/868.pdf
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/869.pdf
"increased psycho-emotional tension of the crew members due to long dissatisfaction and emotional discussion of instructions and actions of ATC controllers. At the same time, the instructions and actions of the ATC service controllers were in line with established procedures.".
That will be an interesting report
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ILS to runway 09 was out of service which may have been a player. Maybe the thieves stole the antennas again to sell for scrap metal.
They may have just put the nosewheel in the mud. I had a colleague land somewhere else and find out that a runway exit he planned to use was Notamed closed on page 17 of the paperwork. He dragged a bogie through the grass trying to turn around on the runway. No damage but since it occurred before he exited the runway after landing it was declared a runway excursion and a major investigation complete with hearings and transcribed testimony was held.
They may have just put the nosewheel in the mud. I had a colleague land somewhere else and find out that a runway exit he planned to use was Notamed closed on page 17 of the paperwork. He dragged a bogie through the grass trying to turn around on the runway. No damage but since it occurred before he exited the runway after landing it was declared a runway excursion and a major investigation complete with hearings and transcribed testimony was held.
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A short sample of the many pages of current Bombay Notams:
VABB A1348/19 REFER AIP SUP 117/2018, PART 2-NOTE, DELETE NOTE(II-ROMAN) AND (III-ROMAN) AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 26 JUL 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 25 JUL 04:53 2019
VABB A1355/18 REF EAIP VERSION 2.0 VABB AD 2.20 LOCAL AD REGULATIONS, SIMULTANEOUS ACFT MOVEMENT TO/FM ADJ STANDS IS NOT PERMITTED. AMEND VABB AD 2.20 ACCORDINGLY. 27 JUN 12:30 2018 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 27 JUN 12:41 2018 VABB A1372/19 BARRETT WITH XBAR AT 150M. INSERT INFO IN VABB AD 2.14 APCH AND RWY LGT RWY 27 REMARKS COLUMN 10 AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 27 JUL 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 26 JUL 11:57 2019
VABB A1453/19 1. RWY 14/32 UPGRADED FOR ACFT OPS UPTO CODE F. 2. ACFT OPS UPTO CODE F PERMITTED FM ALL RWY. INSERT INFO IN VABB AD 2.23 ADDITIONAL INFO AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 15 AUG 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 08 AUG 12:11 2019
VABB A1454/19 REF VABB AD 2.20 LCL AD REGULATIONS, II-TAX RESTRICTIONS, DELETE SL NR 12, 13 AND 14. AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 15 AUG 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 08 AUG 12:28 2019 VABB A1499/19 1. TAX OF ACFT A380 PERMITTED ON TWY N1, N1R, N3, N4, N5, N6, W, N8, N9, N10, N11, N, M, M5, M6, M7, M8, E1, E3, E4, S1, W4, E7, E8, E9, E10, PORTION OF TWY E BTN RWY 27 AND TWY N1, PORTION OF M4 BTN TWY N1 AND TWY M, AND PORTION OF TAXILANE H BTN TWY M7 AND TWY M5. 2. UNDER FOLLOW ME SER TOWING OR TAX OF A380 PERMITTED ON TWY E5, PORTION OF TAXILANE P BTN TWY E5 AND TAXILANE H AND PORTION OF TAXILANE H BTN TAXILANE P AND TWY M7. INSERT AND AMEND VABB AD 2.20, LCL AD REGULATIONS, TAX RESTRICTIONS, PARA II AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 15 AUG 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 13 AUG 12:18 2019 VABB A1567/15 DIRECTOR GENERAL OF CIVIL AVIATION INDIA HAS GRANTED TEMPO EXEMPTION IN RESPECT OF FLW NON-COMPLIANCE AGAINST RQMNTS SPECIFIED IN DIRECTOR GENERAL OF CIVIL AVIATION CAR-SECTION 4, SERIES B, PART IV PARA 3.1.19 RWY SLOPE: THE TRANSVERSE SLOPE ON RWY 14/32 IS NOT SYMMETRICAL ON BOTH SIDES OF CAMBERED SFC. 19 OCT 07:00 2015 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 19 OCT 10:07 2015
VABB A1618/17 OBSTACLES FOR RWY 09/27 AND RWY 14/32 WITHIN IN CIRCLING AREA AND AT AERODROME FOR RWY 09/27 RWY/AREA OBST COORD ELEV MARKING/LGT RMK AFFECTED TYPE IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.09 N 66 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725142.05 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.11 N 54 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725136.44 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.23 N 69 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725140.38 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.36 N 68 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725143.41 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.43 N 67 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725145.30 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.41 N 57 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725148.63 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.50 N 68 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725147.00 E FOR RWY 14/32 IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190507.30 N 88 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725204.28 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190532.39 N 51 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725143.38 E. 14 SEP 00:01 2017 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 11 SEP 13:59 2017
VABB A1355/18 REF EAIP VERSION 2.0 VABB AD 2.20 LOCAL AD REGULATIONS, SIMULTANEOUS ACFT MOVEMENT TO/FM ADJ STANDS IS NOT PERMITTED. AMEND VABB AD 2.20 ACCORDINGLY. 27 JUN 12:30 2018 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 27 JUN 12:41 2018 VABB A1372/19 BARRETT WITH XBAR AT 150M. INSERT INFO IN VABB AD 2.14 APCH AND RWY LGT RWY 27 REMARKS COLUMN 10 AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 27 JUL 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 26 JUL 11:57 2019
VABB A1453/19 1. RWY 14/32 UPGRADED FOR ACFT OPS UPTO CODE F. 2. ACFT OPS UPTO CODE F PERMITTED FM ALL RWY. INSERT INFO IN VABB AD 2.23 ADDITIONAL INFO AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 15 AUG 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 08 AUG 12:11 2019
VABB A1454/19 REF VABB AD 2.20 LCL AD REGULATIONS, II-TAX RESTRICTIONS, DELETE SL NR 12, 13 AND 14. AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 15 AUG 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 08 AUG 12:28 2019 VABB A1499/19 1. TAX OF ACFT A380 PERMITTED ON TWY N1, N1R, N3, N4, N5, N6, W, N8, N9, N10, N11, N, M, M5, M6, M7, M8, E1, E3, E4, S1, W4, E7, E8, E9, E10, PORTION OF TWY E BTN RWY 27 AND TWY N1, PORTION OF M4 BTN TWY N1 AND TWY M, AND PORTION OF TAXILANE H BTN TWY M7 AND TWY M5. 2. UNDER FOLLOW ME SER TOWING OR TAX OF A380 PERMITTED ON TWY E5, PORTION OF TAXILANE P BTN TWY E5 AND TAXILANE H AND PORTION OF TAXILANE H BTN TAXILANE P AND TWY M7. INSERT AND AMEND VABB AD 2.20, LCL AD REGULATIONS, TAX RESTRICTIONS, PARA II AND AMEND AIP INDIA ACCORDINGLY. 15 AUG 00:00 2019 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 13 AUG 12:18 2019 VABB A1567/15 DIRECTOR GENERAL OF CIVIL AVIATION INDIA HAS GRANTED TEMPO EXEMPTION IN RESPECT OF FLW NON-COMPLIANCE AGAINST RQMNTS SPECIFIED IN DIRECTOR GENERAL OF CIVIL AVIATION CAR-SECTION 4, SERIES B, PART IV PARA 3.1.19 RWY SLOPE: THE TRANSVERSE SLOPE ON RWY 14/32 IS NOT SYMMETRICAL ON BOTH SIDES OF CAMBERED SFC. 19 OCT 07:00 2015 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 19 OCT 10:07 2015
VABB A1618/17 OBSTACLES FOR RWY 09/27 AND RWY 14/32 WITHIN IN CIRCLING AREA AND AT AERODROME FOR RWY 09/27 RWY/AREA OBST COORD ELEV MARKING/LGT RMK AFFECTED TYPE IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.09 N 66 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725142.05 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.11 N 54 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725136.44 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.23 N 69 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725140.38 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.36 N 68 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725143.41 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.43 N 67 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725145.30 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.41 N 57 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725148.63 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190512.50 N 68 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725147.00 E FOR RWY 14/32 IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190507.30 N 88 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725204.28 E IN CIRCLING AREA AND BUILDING 190532.39 N 51 FT LGT NIL AT AD 0725143.38 E. 14 SEP 00:01 2017 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 11 SEP 13:59 2017
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Yeah, try reading 50 pages of gobbledegook, in the timeframe . NoTAM system is not fit for purpose, it’s just lip service to the regs.
And of course the lawyers - the trend for US airports to notam their runway is wet, and then we get airborne reports cancelling said notam when it dries out !
https://ops.group/blog/the-problem-of-bull****-notams/
https://fixingnotams.org/
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Mr Proach and xetroV: you're right, there are often 50 pages of NOTAMs, it's too much! That's why our nice FOs come early and are used to see what's important or not: Departure airport, closed rwys, twys? Dest and Altn: same...Twys closed? You will check in flight, you have between 2 and 8 hrs or more usually...5 or 10 mns will be enough, but then you know! I really don't want to go in that trouble of taxying where I shouldn't be! It's situational awareness, it's anticipation...
