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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:05
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So 727 jobs. How many pilots uk based? 1400?

So 50pc of uk easy pilots going?

Does anyone have a breakdown by base and role? is lifo?

Someone made the point about the loans above. Will they still be payable?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:09
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Originally Posted by CC_FlyerUK View Post
Yep, all the Head Office staff and Cabin Crew. I think it is a shame people seem to focus on "Pilots" when if it was not for the others it would be empty planes flying about - with no organisation!
The clue might be in the website name?
It doesn't mean we don;'t feel for our colleagues, but there are targeted forums for them to vent their spleen.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:21
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what about Easyjet Switzerland then?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 20:45
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Strength of BALPA

Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
................many of which haven't got the strength of a union like BALPA behind them.
Good luck with that...............
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 20:56
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The proposals for Gatwick appears to be about 25% of the pilot force but much lower numbers for cabin, around 16%. Years ago the ticket staff were replaced with "machines" so there's no mileage in ground staff reductions, looks like the high cost work units are in the gunsights..
Gatwick airport forecast it will take up to 4 years to recover to pre-covid levels and it looks like a case of self fulfilling prophecies, are we talking our way into this mess!
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
And I am happy to admit I would be one of them. It's the best contract in my home country for valid reasons.
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I think you can forget all about joining that kind of contract in the near future.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 01:39
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Having pondered the proposed changes l now think LIFO will not apply as they are proposing reductions at all UK bases. So much for loyalty. Orange spirit my arse.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 03:52
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As feared.

"​​We will look at redeployment as part of the consultation. However given the overall headcount proposals across our business and the lack of suitable vacancies we want to be open by saying we realise it'll be unlikely that we will be able to mitigate our proposals through redeployment"

No such thing as loyalty in the modern workplace. Probably get basic redundancy payment as well.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Douglas Bahada View Post
Having pondered the proposed changes l now think LIFO will not apply as they are proposing reductions at all UK bases. So much for loyalty. Orange spirit my arse.
Way back in the mists of time, the American boss of the large UK airline I worked for, decided that he would reduce the pilot/cc workforce due to one of the airlines regular financial hiccups. His proposal was to close 4 regional bases and get rid of the staff based there. He was somewhat put out and puzzled when the Union, having been largely asleep on the job, pointed out that we were a Seniority based airline and he couldn't do that. All of a sudden 3 of the 4 base closures were cancelled and most of the jobs saved, albeit with quite a few peeps taking part time to mitigate. When the brown stuff hits the fan, seniority and union are all that stands between you and the dole queue.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 09:14
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Those of you that believe LIFO should be used as the sole method of selection for compulsory redundancy need to understand that the law has changed. The change makes all previous contracts/agreements that make LIFO the sole method of selection obsolete.

Companies and Unions can agree to whatever they like. However, it should be within the law. When the law changes then contracts of employment should also change.

Companies and BALPA should use a matrix that could include LIFO in it.

The Employment Equality (Age) Regulations 2006 and the Equality Act 2010 refers to the change in the procedures.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 10:34
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post
Those of you that believe LIFO should be used as the sole method of selection for compulsory redundancy need to understand that the law has changed. The change makes all previous contracts/agreements that make LIFO the sole method of selection obsolete.
This is certainly true but what else is there to go on? We are generally unknown to management and HR outside of our immediate base captain and line trainers. Will they have a say in the final reckoning? Training reports are rather generic these days with little to no text on them (unless there's a secret box we don't get to see saying what the trainer *really* thought) and I believe data accrued on Flap 3 landing, discretionary fuel etc. is anonymised, if that sort of thing could even be used as criteria.

Sickness? Number of fatigue reports filed? Number of times we've been in the shower when Crewing calls? I'm struggling to think of anything particularly tangible.

Good luck everyone.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 10:52
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I was about to say the same. How can they select? Lifo may not be ok but experience in hours is surely ok and that amounts to the same. This would mean that a FO that already had 1000 hours when they entered easyjet may keep a job even though they are the last to join? But this amounts pretty much to LIFO anyway.

There are always 'favourites' that will escape the cull. Some of easyjet's more recent recruits are more rough round the edges and would prob never have even been selected 10 years ago and definitely wouldn't have mid 2000s. Then there are those who have better communication skills, better educational background, more upper middle class.

I cannot see easy getting rid of the latter in favour of the former. They will surely keep more female pilots as well. Those who can least afford it and with the biggest debts will probably be thrown to the wolves regardless.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 12:02
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Over at WZZ so called "performance" was used to decide over 265 pilots who were let go. Now let me tell you that it was BS. It was down to individual base captains and mid managers to decide and by the way who were more than happy to run their purge based on personal agenda. Again, there are no unions whatsoever to speak of at WZZ. Wish you guys and gals the best. It's tough. I know.

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Old 1st Jul 2020, 15:42
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The only problem with using LIFO as the sole method, as far as I can make out, is that it can inadvertently lead to age discrimination and it is that, not LIFO itself, which is unlawful. If it can be demonstrated that LIFO is not discriminatory in age, i.e. there is a healthy mix of ages amongst those with the least service, then I can't see any reason in law why that should not be the primary or even only criterion. I suppose that's unlikely given the traditional progression of cadetship to internal command but it's a thought. Somebody else here may be able to clarify that.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 15:55
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Originally Posted by TerryCherry View Post
I They will surely keep more female pilots as well. .
That would of course be completely illegal, but this is easyjet we're taking about, so you're probably right. Even in the general workforce, in the 2008-9 recession, "pale males" were disproportionately laid off, with HR managers presumably thinking to themselves "well at least these guys can't claim discrimination, so we'll target them"!

That said, in airlines generally, LIFO may tend to affect female pilots more severely, as their proportion has increased in recent years, so they are more junior

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Old 9th Jul 2020, 01:56
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I'm based in Italy and on some sectors the PAX numbers are almost non existent. Is it the same elsewhere? Everyone I know is really scared about their job. My Capitano the other day was really low. How long can this go on?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 09:29
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the moment when aviation became business just like any other, and boys with finacial toys were brought in, you were already on death sentence... Money will just go elsewhere, they don't give shit for your loyality, for the fact, that aviation is very special operation and that it takes a lot of expertise of vast array of profiles.... I wish you all all the best....
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 09:37
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I'm surprised that nothing has been made of the obvious safety issue here. Aside from the lack of recency with nobody having flown for four months, flying on aircraft that haven't flown for four months, with load sheets produced by people who haven't produced load sheets for four months, new COVID-related procedures (etc etc), easyJet have now decided that they want every single staff member onboard flights from SEN, STN and NCL in the next two months to have their livelihoods torn up at the end of the Summer. Did nobody consider the implications to flight safety of a base lottery policy on redundancy selection?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 09:56
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What exactly are you implying?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 10:26
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Originally Posted by kontrolor View Post
the moment when aviation became business just like any other,....
Do you mean in the 1920s when it really started? When has commercial aviation not been a business?

Don't 'shoot the messenger' with any of these extreme problems, everyone is just trying to dig themselves out of holes that they have fallen into through no fault of their own. (The real problem is the source of all of this trouble.)

Vokes55 has made a very, very, very good general point. Pilots, and every other sector in the industry, have had to face livelihoods being torn up in the past (I've had a base and a fleet shut on me, with the announcement a week before Christmas just to 'bite' that bit harder), but never, ever in such extreme circumstances, with all those additional factors, as
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