Easy Jet job cuts
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It doesn't mean we don;'t feel for our colleagues, but there are targeted forums for them to vent their spleen.
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The proposals for Gatwick appears to be about 25% of the pilot force but much lower numbers for cabin, around 16%. Years ago the ticket staff were replaced with "machines" so there's no mileage in ground staff reductions, looks like the high cost work units are in the gunsights..
Gatwick airport forecast it will take up to 4 years to recover to pre-covid levels and it looks like a case of self fulfilling prophecies, are we talking our way into this mess!
Gatwick airport forecast it will take up to 4 years to recover to pre-covid levels and it looks like a case of self fulfilling prophecies, are we talking our way into this mess!
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As feared.
"We will look at redeployment as part of the consultation. However given the overall headcount proposals across our business and the lack of suitable vacancies we want to be open by saying we realise it'll be unlikely that we will be able to mitigate our proposals through redeployment"
No such thing as loyalty in the modern workplace. Probably get basic redundancy payment as well.
"We will look at redeployment as part of the consultation. However given the overall headcount proposals across our business and the lack of suitable vacancies we want to be open by saying we realise it'll be unlikely that we will be able to mitigate our proposals through redeployment"
No such thing as loyalty in the modern workplace. Probably get basic redundancy payment as well.
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Way back in the mists of time, the American boss of the large UK airline I worked for, decided that he would reduce the pilot/cc workforce due to one of the airlines regular financial hiccups. His proposal was to close 4 regional bases and get rid of the staff based there. He was somewhat put out and puzzled when the Union, having been largely asleep on the job, pointed out that we were a Seniority based airline and he couldn't do that. All of a sudden 3 of the 4 base closures were cancelled and most of the jobs saved, albeit with quite a few peeps taking part time to mitigate. When the brown stuff hits the fan, seniority and union are all that stands between you and the dole queue.
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Those of you that believe LIFO should be used as the sole method of selection for compulsory redundancy need to understand that the law has changed. The change makes all previous contracts/agreements that make LIFO the sole method of selection obsolete.
Companies and Unions can agree to whatever they like. However, it should be within the law. When the law changes then contracts of employment should also change.
Companies and BALPA should use a matrix that could include LIFO in it.
The Employment Equality (Age) Regulations 2006 and the Equality Act 2010 refers to the change in the procedures.
Companies and Unions can agree to whatever they like. However, it should be within the law. When the law changes then contracts of employment should also change.
Companies and BALPA should use a matrix that could include LIFO in it.
The Employment Equality (Age) Regulations 2006 and the Equality Act 2010 refers to the change in the procedures.
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Sickness? Number of fatigue reports filed? Number of times we've been in the shower when Crewing calls? I'm struggling to think of anything particularly tangible.
Good luck everyone.
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I was about to say the same. How can they select? Lifo may not be ok but experience in hours is surely ok and that amounts to the same. This would mean that a FO that already had 1000 hours when they entered easyjet may keep a job even though they are the last to join? But this amounts pretty much to LIFO anyway.
There are always 'favourites' that will escape the cull. Some of easyjet's more recent recruits are more rough round the edges and would prob never have even been selected 10 years ago and definitely wouldn't have mid 2000s. Then there are those who have better communication skills, better educational background, more upper middle class.
I cannot see easy getting rid of the latter in favour of the former. They will surely keep more female pilots as well. Those who can least afford it and with the biggest debts will probably be thrown to the wolves regardless.
There are always 'favourites' that will escape the cull. Some of easyjet's more recent recruits are more rough round the edges and would prob never have even been selected 10 years ago and definitely wouldn't have mid 2000s. Then there are those who have better communication skills, better educational background, more upper middle class.
I cannot see easy getting rid of the latter in favour of the former. They will surely keep more female pilots as well. Those who can least afford it and with the biggest debts will probably be thrown to the wolves regardless.
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Over at WZZ so called "performance" was used to decide over 265 pilots who were let go. Now let me tell you that it was BS. It was down to individual base captains and mid managers to decide and by the way who were more than happy to run their purge based on personal agenda. Again, there are no unions whatsoever to speak of at WZZ. Wish you guys and gals the best. It's tough. I know.
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The only problem with using LIFO as the sole method, as far as I can make out, is that it can inadvertently lead to age discrimination and it is that, not LIFO itself, which is unlawful. If it can be demonstrated that LIFO is not discriminatory in age, i.e. there is a healthy mix of ages amongst those with the least service, then I can't see any reason in law why that should not be the primary or even only criterion. I suppose that's unlikely given the traditional progression of cadetship to internal command but it's a thought. Somebody else here may be able to clarify that.
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That would of course be completely illegal, but this is easyjet we're taking about, so you're probably right. Even in the general workforce, in the 2008-9 recession, "pale males" were disproportionately laid off, with HR managers presumably thinking to themselves "well at least these guys can't claim discrimination, so we'll target them"!
That said, in airlines generally, LIFO may tend to affect female pilots more severely, as their proportion has increased in recent years, so they are more junior
That said, in airlines generally, LIFO may tend to affect female pilots more severely, as their proportion has increased in recent years, so they are more junior
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I'm based in Italy and on some sectors the PAX numbers are almost non existent. Is it the same elsewhere? Everyone I know is really scared about their job. My Capitano the other day was really low. How long can this go on?
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the moment when aviation became business just like any other, and boys with finacial toys were brought in, you were already on death sentence... Money will just go elsewhere, they don't give !!!! for your loyality, for the fact, that aviation is very special operation and that it takes a lot of expertise of vast array of profiles.... I wish you all all the best....
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I'm surprised that nothing has been made of the obvious safety issue here. Aside from the lack of recency with nobody having flown for four months, flying on aircraft that haven't flown for four months, with load sheets produced by people who haven't produced load sheets for four months, new COVID-related procedures (etc etc), easyJet have now decided that they want every single staff member onboard flights from SEN, STN and NCL in the next two months to have their livelihoods torn up at the end of the Summer. Did nobody consider the implications to flight safety of a base lottery policy on redundancy selection?
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Do you mean in the 1920s when it really started? When has commercial aviation not been a business?
Don't 'shoot the messenger' with any of these extreme problems, everyone is just trying to dig themselves out of holes that they have fallen into through no fault of their own. (The real problem is the source of all of this trouble.)
Vokes55 has made a very, very, very good general point. Pilots, and every other sector in the industry, have had to face livelihoods being torn up in the past (I've had a base and a fleet shut on me, with the announcement a week before Christmas just to 'bite' that bit harder), but never, ever in such extreme circumstances, with all those additional factors, as
Don't 'shoot the messenger' with any of these extreme problems, everyone is just trying to dig themselves out of holes that they have fallen into through no fault of their own. (The real problem is the source of all of this trouble.)
Vokes55 has made a very, very, very good general point. Pilots, and every other sector in the industry, have had to face livelihoods being torn up in the past (I've had a base and a fleet shut on me, with the announcement a week before Christmas just to 'bite' that bit harder), but never, ever in such extreme circumstances, with all those additional factors, as
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Tick Tock Man
Another problem with the "last in, first out", is that some of the older staff can be very reluctant vote for new temporary agreements, only because they know they won't get laid off... So where a time/salery reduction would've kept everyone working, albeit less with equally less payment, they'd rather see colleagues get fired.
Often you'd end up hearing arguments where the employee has completely forgotten that he is actually that... an employee.... who is working because the employer needs him.
Sure, technically the companies can just fire the whole bunch, and then re-hire the ones they want again.
Now I'm not against rights for employees etc, but the situation is a bit special, and the only way to help getting through it, would be to move in close with management and figure out what to do (if we want to keep everyone working).
Another problem with the "last in, first out", is that some of the older staff can be very reluctant vote for new temporary agreements, only because they know they won't get laid off... So where a time/salery reduction would've kept everyone working, albeit less with equally less payment, they'd rather see colleagues get fired.
Often you'd end up hearing arguments where the employee has completely forgotten that he is actually that... an employee.... who is working because the employer needs him.
Sure, technically the companies can just fire the whole bunch, and then re-hire the ones they want again.
Now I'm not against rights for employees etc, but the situation is a bit special, and the only way to help getting through it, would be to move in close with management and figure out what to do (if we want to keep everyone working).