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PIA A320 Crash Karachi

Old 31st Jan 2021, 14:26
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unfortunately much more to the story 😐
That being said it seems both pilots in this case had proper paperwork. Not that it really mattered.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 00:27
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Physical status of crew?

It seems that that PIA8303 is normally scheduled to depart Lahore at 10:00 local time. Based on the accident time, it is likely that the actual departure was delayed by about 3 hours. The cause of the delay may shed light on possible waiting conditions of the crew. At midday, the temperature in Lahore was 42C.

It will be interesting to eventually know if the accident investigation considers what time the flight crew actually showed up for duty and under what environmental conditions they waited for late departure. Could the pilots have been fatigued or otherwise impaired?

If the APU was not available due to unserviceability, company procedures for extended ground use, or insufficient fuel to accommodate extended APU use, the aircraft interior temperature could be very high with OAT of 42C or greater.
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Old 3rd Feb 2021, 14:06
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Impaired or not, they were not conducting them selves in a profesional manner according to the government minister and were non standard throughout
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Old 22nd May 2021, 06:11
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First anniversary PIA 8303

This remarkable tragic accident occurred 22 May 2020.

update edit: We await the official final Pakistani report with interest.
AV Herald has an update 21/5/2021

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Old 22nd May 2021, 07:30
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I'd estimate that the average time taken for the investigation report into any fatal airliner accident to appear is around a year, maybe longer.

For example the NTSB's report on the October 2019 Penn Air accident in Alaska is still awaited, more than 18 months after the event, so it's a tad unfair to single out the Pakistan AAIB.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 19:13
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at least there's an interim statement of Pakistan CAA today.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 21:32
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Really? Where is it published? Please provide a link...I am assuming it is translated into the English language.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 22:32
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Is there rear fuselage damage underneath towards the tail looking aft of the left cabin door? The picture does show RAT extended and damage to both engine nacelles.
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Old 23rd May 2021, 05:31
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It's in here, just scroll down until you get to it

Crash: PIA A320 at Karachi on May 22nd 2020, impacted residential area during final approach, both engines failed as result of a gear up touchdown
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Old 23rd May 2021, 07:08
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No, it's quite unlikely given the geometry.

The element sticking out below the aft door is a water drain mast. Often gets damaged first during tail scrapes, seeing it intact has a meaning of its own. The other blurred part under the tail cone is the contour of APU inlet door overlapping the visible part of the elevator from the far side.

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Old 23rd May 2021, 08:12
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Airplane Geometry is not a factor. As you can see in this photo the engine nacelles are the only parts of the airplane structure that is in contact with the runway.

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Old 23rd May 2021, 10:03
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So, it is a factor for NOT scraping the tail, right? With wheels up, the tear would be much forward.

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Old 23rd May 2021, 16:32
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Thanks for the brilliant graphic and response.
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