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What is it with people, some from careers that are as safe as houses, and who will be treated as heros for the rest of their lives, that they feel the need to post on a professional pilots forum just to tell us we are well and truly *****d.
Wonderful statement by the secretary of state for Transport. Bring back Norman Tebbit.. He had some idea on the Aviation world. Oh, of course he also would have said "On, yer Bike!"
In my case, because my assumption was that your colleagues generally believe what they write. And if they do, many of them are (in my view) delusional.
Oil demand is down about 25%. If the US and Saudi shut in (about as likely as pigs learning to floss) there will still be an excess of supply over demand. Hence WTI went negative and oil now at $20 - 30 /bbl with no visible floor. So we are well and truly *****d as well. Since the last oil price crash 160,000 people have left the UK oil and gas industry. We did not get a lot of sympathy, just had to deal with it. As will you.
Oil demand is down about 25%. If the US and Saudi shut in (about as likely as pigs learning to floss) there will still be an excess of supply over demand. Hence WTI went negative and oil now at $20 - 30 /bbl with no visible floor. So we are well and truly *****d as well. Since the last oil price crash 160,000 people have left the UK oil and gas industry. We did not get a lot of sympathy, just had to deal with it. As will you.
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stop quoting the Spanish flu. It’s largely irrelevant. In 1918 healthcare was poor/non-existent for many, sanitation and living conditions were much poorer, no hygiene control or education to speak of, poor diets and generally poor health for many resulting from that large war that just happened. Unless you want to start quoting the Black Death and we can all burn cats and check our humours then please give over about the Spanish Flu.
My opinion for the exit of this pandemic is herd immunity; either by vaccine or infection. There is backing support for this from countries like Sweden (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...035-7/fulltext).
The aviation industry is no doubt facing its biggest threat since the dawn of commercial aviation. But it’s going to have to play its part in fighting it a long side other industries.
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I think about 230 million people arrive into uk each year.
This cannot and will not get policed.
Even if only 1% of past air travel returns thats about 200,000 a month, do people expect plod to check on addresses daily?
its an illusion, but one that will have devastating consequences on aviation.
This cannot and will not get policed.
Even if only 1% of past air travel returns thats about 200,000 a month, do people expect plod to check on addresses daily?
its an illusion, but one that will have devastating consequences on aviation.
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At the same time, Etihad are resuming service to LHR, Ryanair are restoring some further destinations from STN and Wizz air are getting up to speed at LTN. Presumably carriers outside of the UK also have short-term plans I am not aware of. International coordination of actions, as proposed by EASA/Eurocontrol/everyone in their right mind? Never heard of it.
And then comes the issue how to refund those who booked their flight and couldn't make any use of it because of new restrictions out of the blue. Lots of extra pain in the back for everyone involved.
And then comes the issue how to refund those who booked their flight and couldn't make any use of it because of new restrictions out of the blue. Lots of extra pain in the back for everyone involved.
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/2020/04/22/how-coronavirus-spread-in-one-restaurant-shows-why-air-travel-is-safer-than-you-think/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwijmcmS5afpAhXfHjQIHSKHDdEQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVa w2u9gZZRcia-D3J6rclx0qB&cf=1
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Unfortunately you are taking the lowest common denominator approach.
Your control efforts will only ever be as good as the places your new arrivals come from.
Borders are easily closed, after all, that is what they are for.
Sometime soon (medium term) parts of the world will be up and running again.
But they will not be accepting arrivals from countries where this remains endemic.
Your control efforts will only ever be as good as the places your new arrivals come from.
Borders are easily closed, after all, that is what they are for.
Sometime soon (medium term) parts of the world will be up and running again.
But they will not be accepting arrivals from countries where this remains endemic.
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Be glad it's as simple as country borders. In the US, you have to worry about state borders (and different lockdown procedures) as well as individual corporate policies. A relative who works for the gov't was told they are mission essential and needs to travel across the country. Problem - once they get there they need to self-quarantine for 14 days before they report to work at the target organization. Totally absurd.
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The previous standards, scales, measures and calibration no longer apply.
We have empty skies. We don't see the public clamouring to restart passenger air travel. I doubt for those outside the aviation sector that more than a few eould even have it on any list of things they are bothered about.
A few weeks ago we were worrying about ventilators and there were emergency hospitals being built. Now we worry about PPE.
Assuming that things settle nad we have a boundary to 'the first wave' then people sure as hell won't want a second.
Assuming no practical vaccine or no magic treatments then we have to live with it - which means controls.
Much as a 14 day quarantine might look unwelcome now - if the hit is taken and the UK along with other nations get control within their own jusrisdictions - then domestic travel will start to be viewed as safer and grow - and various nations that trust each others' controls will de-restrict international travel between them and make it a practical proposition.
We have empty skies. We don't see the public clamouring to restart passenger air travel. I doubt for those outside the aviation sector that more than a few eould even have it on any list of things they are bothered about.
A few weeks ago we were worrying about ventilators and there were emergency hospitals being built. Now we worry about PPE.
Assuming that things settle nad we have a boundary to 'the first wave' then people sure as hell won't want a second.
Assuming no practical vaccine or no magic treatments then we have to live with it - which means controls.
Much as a 14 day quarantine might look unwelcome now - if the hit is taken and the UK along with other nations get control within their own jusrisdictions - then domestic travel will start to be viewed as safer and grow - and various nations that trust each others' controls will de-restrict international travel between them and make it a practical proposition.
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Be glad it's as simple as country borders. In the US, you have to worry about state borders (and different lockdown procedures) as well as individual corporate policies. A relative who works for the gov't was told they are mission essential and needs to travel across the country. Problem - once they get there they need to self-quarantine for 14 days before they report to work at the target organization. Totally absurd.
Firewalled, on several levels, if you will.
Not absurd. Quarantine. Many countries are managing it. Those quarantined supervised physically or electronically to ensure compliance.
Has it destroyed the economy? No, it has helped keep it running.
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..................Theres no way aviation can carry on as it was before this as it plays a critical part in spreading such diseases so probably health checks, temp scans etc etc will be with us permanently, as in the security procedures after 9/11 and perhaps a permanent reduction in flying may not be a bad thing from an environmental impact point of view.....
..................Theres no way aviation can carry on as it was before this as it plays a critical part in spreading such diseases so probably health checks, temp scans etc etc will be with us permanently, as in the security procedures after 9/11 and perhaps a permanent reduction in flying may not be a bad thing from an environmental impact point of view.....
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Totally inept UK Gov,peopled with utter wallies , as usual, way beyond the drag curve. Stacks of views all over the place highlighting what other Governments did. UK just followed but too little too late. Here's a further example but, hey, we elected the clots ! Allusion to the notion that the UK Gov knows exactly what is going on and in the case of Border Control, LACK of control , was justifiably criminal, has been blind sided or heavily edited. Why ? It is not hindsight. Lack of appropriate action led to these predictable results.
My biggest laugh of the day was the Gov suggesting that screening of inbound pax at LHR was of a small proportion to those already infected and would therefore be, pointless. Daily briefings by plonkers like Hancock steered towards the numbers game. Percentage of this, proportion of that, a few graphs. Most listening would be yawning ,lost, or both.
When I was being groomed for a roll in Training, I expressed concern with having to deal with very difficult questions sometimes posed by Trainees. I was told to just fob them off with the numbers game, stats & graphs ! I don't recall Johnson, Hancock & the other wasters being in the group with me but goodness gracious, these guys are good !
Not quite so many laughing at the idea of collusion, NWO ( rather than the biggots in the WHO) and the complete con of tracing APPS on your "smart" phone. Wake up people.
My biggest laugh of the day was the Gov suggesting that screening of inbound pax at LHR was of a small proportion to those already infected and would therefore be, pointless. Daily briefings by plonkers like Hancock steered towards the numbers game. Percentage of this, proportion of that, a few graphs. Most listening would be yawning ,lost, or both.
When I was being groomed for a roll in Training, I expressed concern with having to deal with very difficult questions sometimes posed by Trainees. I was told to just fob them off with the numbers game, stats & graphs ! I don't recall Johnson, Hancock & the other wasters being in the group with me but goodness gracious, these guys are good !
Not quite so many laughing at the idea of collusion, NWO ( rather than the biggots in the WHO) and the complete con of tracing APPS on your "smart" phone. Wake up people.
In all honestly we only have our selves to blame no one else. Through our acquiescence we allowed the whole system to be hijacked by a tiny few. Yet we laughed and ridiculed those trying to warn us. History may not repeat itself but it always rhymes.
it will be red pill blue pill time for the masses.
The 14 day lockdown in New Zealand is working well. Locked in a room in a 4 star hotel. Fed and watered and policed by AVSEC.
