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Old 9th Apr 2020, 10:49
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Huh?

Originally Posted by Boeing 7E7 View Post
What is it that you know, that the aviation regulatory authorities around the world will miss?
That's an odd question? You think regulatory authorities around the world know better than an individual's personal choice?? Don't imagine big bro' has reached that level yet.......
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 10:51
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remember that Ryanair have not ordered standard MAX's, The Ryanair order is for MAX-200's a design that has an issue beyond that of the "standard" MAX airframes.

https://www.aerotime.aero/ruta.burba...pts-new-delays

A second emergency exit along the aft fuselage and behind the plane’s wings is a special feature of the 737-8-200, ordered by the low-cost giant. The new set of doors was necessary to increase the certified seating capacity on the modified MAX 8.

I would imagine that Boeing would want to get the "standard" MAX off the ground before they focus on the -200.


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Old 9th Apr 2020, 11:17
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The MAX 200 is just some stock MAX 8 with another pair of cabin doors. No big deal technically.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
The MAX 200 is just some stock MAX 8 with another pair of cabin doors. No big deal technically.
apparently not.........

Because of its high-density, the up to 210-seat 737-8-200 variant requires a separate type certificate from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and its European counterpart

and the doors seem to be the issue.......


an unspecified “design issue” related to the second over-wing exit has reportedly prompted this Ryanair-specific delay.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 11:28
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Many future passengers may well themselves "wait" a further period of time even after resumption of flying again before they consider buying a seat on a MAX! Something for Boeing and airlines may have to factor in.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 11:29
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So what else is changed?
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 11:34
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Does anyone know what this mysterious, unidentified "design issue" related to the additional door on the Max 8-200 is ?
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 11:56
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I expect ryr to order even more. Just like post 9/11, but this time Boeing are properly on their knees.

He already put a tender in for some of the bigger max10s.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 21:49
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Does anyone know what this mysterious, unidentified "design issue" related to the additional door on the Max 8-200 is ?
Apart from the reply by MC below - it seems the practical evacuation tests required have not been "practical" for a number of years. They have been using some formula to arrive at a number as real evacuations are dangerous.

I expect the calculations will be compared to real evacuation tests now. Would not surprise me if the calculation numbers match a wide body - but not so good on a single aisle aircraft.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 00:44
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bring this fabulous aircraft back into service as soon as they possibly can
Thanks for that laugh. It brightened up my day.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 02:42
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Boeing has lost a lot of trust that I had but personally, after reading some articles where they grandfathered in things, like control cable spacing and other stuff not up to code. In light of all that stuff, I would never fly on a Boeing 737 Max and I'm not too impressed by 787 re fuel tanks and lightning protection not to mention Li ion batteries I won't fly on that one either...my apologies to pilots who fly them but that's my position

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Old 10th Apr 2020, 07:06
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It’s a wonderful position to shout from.. Me too, I have many hours in Boeing, some 4,000 left seat at CX on the -200 alone ! .. along with others that don’t right now need a mention.. I’m also privileged to have flown 450 plus hours on the Max 8 and I do feel your little ‘fuss’ is so unjustified... Get a life and let the people who know what they are doing bring this fabulous aircraft back into service as soon as they possibly can.. Oh I forget to mention, I just celebrated being 56! Many more very useful years to come in this engaging and incredibly entertaining industry ..Tx

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The “people” were supposed to know what they were doing before the 2 crashes! I’m afraid it doesn’t give one much faith in the system that was supposed to protect the flying public and keep them safe.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 08:23
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Fitting a new system for trimming an aircraft but forgetting to tell anyone about it it is bad enough, when they do know about it and find out how to deactivate it they cannot trim the aircraft manually. Now it has all been brought into the open it is likely that the only way the Max is going to fly again is if the airframe is modified, which will need certifying, the cost of that is going to be cheaper than scrapping 800 aircraft - isn’t it?.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 08:30
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Fabulous aircraft? When there is a regulator understaffed and relying on the Boeing company certifiers and supervisors to do the regulators checking is why we are here in this situation! Boeing management overruling engineers on safety was sometime going to end in tears, very unfortunate to those whose lives were lost in the 2 accidents. We now here of many other "happenings" in the company Boeing, 787 at Charleston and less said about the 767 tanker aircraft. But Boeing will not be allowed to fail, too many lobbyists.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 09:51
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”Boeing will not be allowed to fail“. That is going to be the reality, it is too big and the US taxpayer is going to have to bail them out. That in itself is going to be problematic because Airbus was had serious issues with accepting state aid, just how it’s all going to be handled is going to be very interesting.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Deltasierra010 View Post
”Boeing will not be allowed to fail“. That is going to be the reality, it is too big and the US taxpayer is going to have to bail them out. That in itself is going to be problematic because Airbus was had serious issues with accepting state aid, just how it’s all going to be handled is going to be very interesting.
I think it will be under “CV rules”. Boeing will definitely be saved. Who will bail out Airbus?
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 10:19
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I’m not so much doubtful if the MAX will fly again as I am as to whether it will be on the same type cert as the NG. If different ratings are required to predecessor, that’s a big impediment.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 10:49
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
I’m not so much doubtful if the MAX will fly again as I am as to whether it will be on the same type cert as the NG. If different ratings are required to predecessor, that’s a big impediment.
Would still be a possible opportunity for Ryanair though. If they replaced the NG’s with dirt-cheap new Maxes, (with type-ratings thrown in) they wouldn’t need dual-fleet crews anyway, once the change-over was complete.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 12:20
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
I’m not so much doubtful if the MAX will fly again as I am as to whether it will be on the same type cert as the NG.
The Max can only be certificated if it's on the same TC as all the other 737 variants. There is no way it could be certificated as a new type under current rules.
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Old 10th Apr 2020, 13:25
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Returning MAXs to Full Service

I think much is going to depend on the FAA's requirements to return the MAXs to full service. For instance, should the FAA require current 737 pilots or MAX pilots to undergo 4 hours of full motion simulator training, as Boeing had once said, the return will be problematic given the number of pilots to be trained and simulator availability worldwide. For example, I have read where American and Southwest Airlines have ~13,000 pilots to train with one available simulator.
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