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Well you would think that would be the end of the story but no. Apparently, and according to the NZ Herald who probably got this off Twitter:
"The plane G-EZBV, an Airbus A319-111 which formed the Luton to Geneva service, had also been missing the seats since at least Friday when it flew Luton to Berlin as service U22103".
"Accompanying the message was a picture of what appeared to be the same seats, four days earlier, still minus backs. Although, at this point the seats had printed notes taped to them, apologising and telling passengers not to sit in them."
As an ex aircrew member I'm embarrassed for the cabin crew who had to fly in this and justify it to passengers, let alone the passengers who, as cheap as their airfare may be, probably didn't expect such a decrepit looking cabin.
"The plane G-EZBV, an Airbus A319-111 which formed the Luton to Geneva service, had also been missing the seats since at least Friday when it flew Luton to Berlin as service U22103".
"Accompanying the message was a picture of what appeared to be the same seats, four days earlier, still minus backs. Although, at this point the seats had printed notes taped to them, apologising and telling passengers not to sit in them."
As an ex aircrew member I'm embarrassed for the cabin crew who had to fly in this and justify it to passengers, let alone the passengers who, as cheap as their airfare may be, probably didn't expect such a decrepit looking cabin.
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I don' get it? What caused all these seats to fail this way. Was it because the original passengers tried to recline into the knees of those behind?
I don't see much clearance in the photo
I don't see much clearance in the photo
Bottom line - Easyjet allowed itself to look worse that Air Botswana (and that may be a libel on Air Botswana).
Doesn't matter whether anyone actually flew on these seats - their mere presence in the cabin is third-world s**thole stuff. As is the thinking of anyone defending it.
Doesn't matter whether anyone actually flew on these seats - their mere presence in the cabin is third-world s**thole stuff. As is the thinking of anyone defending it.
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It looks like that's an emergency exit row; would that impact the availability of spare seating?
I've no idea if the non-reclining seats there differ from the normal seats, or if it's just a case of blocking off the recline mechanism.
I've no idea if the non-reclining seats there differ from the normal seats, or if it's just a case of blocking off the recline mechanism.
So... P.A. to pax in terminal. "We are really sorry but your aircraft has two unserviceable seats. WE can cancel the flight (and subsequent ones) rebooking you days later, or we can operate the flight, as long as you promise not to take photos of friends etc appearing to be sitting in the seat."
What would your vote be? I would have offloaded anyone stupid enough to even sit down on seat with a sign saying DO NOT USE!
I presume she would have used a lav locked/labelled 'inop' as well?
What would your vote be? I would have offloaded anyone stupid enough to even sit down on seat with a sign saying DO NOT USE!
I presume she would have used a lav locked/labelled 'inop' as well?
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So... P.A. to pax in terminal. "We are really sorry but your aircraft has two unserviceable seats. WE can cancel the flight (and subsequent ones) rebooking you days later, or we can operate the flight, as long as you promise not to take photos of friends etc appearing to be sitting in the seat."
What would your vote be? I would have offloaded anyone stupid enough to even sit down on seat with a sign saying DO NOT USE!
I presume she would have used a lav locked/labelled 'inop' as well?
What would your vote be? I would have offloaded anyone stupid enough to even sit down on seat with a sign saying DO NOT USE!
I presume she would have used a lav locked/labelled 'inop' as well?
Go easy, Go Easy. The image of the woman appears to have been taken four days after the image of the seats with 'dont sit here' signs and it seems those scrappy signs may have come off after four days of turnarounds. Even if the signs were still there, I would expect that she had been directed by the cabin crew to rest there, out of the way of boarding passengers, until they could identify a seat for her. So not stupid, but probably very confused, maybe even a little embarrassed and just following the directions of her crew.
Anyway, it's not about her. Its about Easyjet and their culture that allows this type of operation to be normal.
I don’t work for easyJet, but if it had been my decision, I would have had the engineers remove that row of seats completely. It would take, what, 5 mins during turnaround? And then, apart from the obvious gap, the cabin would have looked normal and presentable, and more importantly; safe.
I suspect what happened is that someone in easyJet Ops were told over the phone that two seats were unserviceable, so they decreed that the aircraft stayed in the schedule and kept flying with minus two seats, BUT without realising how unserviceable the seats actually were and how awful they looked and what that would do to passenger confidence and the company image.
Then as each subsequent Dispatcher and Cabin crew and Captain saw the seats, they might have queried it but Ops said yes, we know: leave them and keep flying. So shaking their heads, the crew carried on.
I would like to think that if everyone in the chain of command had actually seen how bad the seats were, i.e. not simply soiled or broken, as sometimes happens, then proper action would have been taken in the first place.
I suspect what happened is that someone in easyJet Ops were told over the phone that two seats were unserviceable, so they decreed that the aircraft stayed in the schedule and kept flying with minus two seats, BUT without realising how unserviceable the seats actually were and how awful they looked and what that would do to passenger confidence and the company image.
Then as each subsequent Dispatcher and Cabin crew and Captain saw the seats, they might have queried it but Ops said yes, we know: leave them and keep flying. So shaking their heads, the crew carried on.
I would like to think that if everyone in the chain of command had actually seen how bad the seats were, i.e. not simply soiled or broken, as sometimes happens, then proper action would have been taken in the first place.
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"If it had been my decision..." Actually the MEL would dictate the actions taken. Several groups, maintenance, FAA, flight department, get together and put the MEL together. If they thought removing the seats was necessary the MEL would state that. If they followed their MEL the proper actions were taken.
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"If it had been my decision..." Actually the MEL would dictate the actions taken. Several groups, maintenance, FAA, flight department, get together and put the MEL together. If they thought removing the seats was necessary the MEL would state that. If they followed their MEL the proper actions were taken.
May be inoperative provided: a) Seat does not block an Emergency Exit, b) Seat does not restrict any passenger from access to the main aircraft aisle, and c) Affected seat(s) are blocked and placarded “DO NOT OCCUPY."
Guess for this flight at least part C was not complied with.
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2. There is no recline on any EJ planes
There is no recline on any EJ planes
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Apart from the social media hysteria and the hysteria on here . . . is there not an actual safety issue - if the unthinkable happens and you (sitting in the row behind) end up in a brace position with that seat pitch, your head is very likely to be 'damaged' by the protruding armrests and protruding fixtures on the armrests in the case of an impact, all clearly visible in the pictures. Is the brace position safety case valid in that case ?
Personally, I would not sit in the row behind, I'd get off and screw the consequences to EJ, my flight will have cost pennies anyway and my safety is worth more than that.
Surely the aviation industry has _some_ safety standards towards the paying public rather than just 'screw em and make some money' ?
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Personally, I would not sit in the row behind, I'd get off and screw the consequences to EJ, my flight will have cost pennies anyway and my safety is worth more than that.
Surely the aviation industry has _some_ safety standards towards the paying public rather than just 'screw em and make some money' ?
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I'd get off . . . and no amount of harassment from the flight crew would stop me.
When it comes to screw you from the airline . . . screw you is an appropriate response . . .
Safety last eh ? . . .
Same observation on drunk pilots, and . . . and . . . and . . .
"If it had been my decision..." Actually the MEL would dictate the actions taken. Several groups, maintenance, FAA, flight department, get together and put the MEL together. If they thought removing the seats was necessary the MEL would state that. If they followed their MEL the proper actions were taken.
But this raises an interesting question: Is it actually forbidden to remove a seat row for operational reasons without specific permission from the aircraft manufacturer?
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They'll probably find a way to charge you more for the extra space.
25-20-02C Affected seats considered inoperative
One or more may be inoperative provided that:
The backrest of the associated seat does not block a cabin door or a cabin overwing exit, and
The seat with the inoperative backrest is considered inoperative
Refer to Item 25-20-01 Passenger Seat, and
The seats with restricted access to the main aisle are considered inoperative.
Refer to Item 25-20-01 Passenger Seat:
(o)
One or more may be inoperative provided the inoperative seat:
Does not block an emergency exit, and
Does not restrict any passenger from access to the main airplane aisle, and
Is blocked and placarded “DO NOT OCCUPY”.
One or more may be inoperative provided that:
The backrest of the associated seat does not block a cabin door or a cabin overwing exit, and
The seat with the inoperative backrest is considered inoperative
Refer to Item 25-20-01 Passenger Seat, and
The seats with restricted access to the main aisle are considered inoperative.
Refer to Item 25-20-01 Passenger Seat:
(o)
One or more may be inoperative provided the inoperative seat:
Does not block an emergency exit, and
Does not restrict any passenger from access to the main airplane aisle, and
Is blocked and placarded “DO NOT OCCUPY”.
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Is the fact worth a thread on this forums?
2 broken seats, not used by pax, period. Bad image foe the airline, period.
Do SLF need to open a thread in this forums everytime a seat fails? Brace position? Trains do not have such... buses too...
once i got a flight delayed 3 hours because of a broken lavatory...a 1 hour flight! We finally took off with instructions on how to wash with bottled water.
this thread does not make a favor to this forums
2 broken seats, not used by pax, period. Bad image foe the airline, period.
Do SLF need to open a thread in this forums everytime a seat fails? Brace position? Trains do not have such... buses too...
once i got a flight delayed 3 hours because of a broken lavatory...a 1 hour flight! We finally took off with instructions on how to wash with bottled water.
this thread does not make a favor to this forums
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