JFK Thunderstorms
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JFK Thunderstorms
Let’s everyone be careful out there. I have witnessed some strange things in the last month. On the 22nd at JFK with level 5 thunderstorms in the area a KLM flight took off with a 16 knot tailwind on 22R with a huge cell 3 miles N and tower calling a wind shear alert. After a runway switch to 4 a Aero Mexico flight accepted a take off clearance with no available departure path and WS alerts and only cancelled take off when they got a onboard WS alert. 2 minutes later a Ethiopian inbound flight landed on 4R after declaring a fuel emergency. As they touched down we were getting onboard radar windshear alerts for the arrival corridor. The cell over JFK had tops reported at 56,000 feet at that time.
Nothing wrong being reminded of the dangers of extreme WX, for example and the pssible consquences, should things not go according to plan.
We're all fallible, each and every one of us. I have fear of T/S's among other things in aviation. If we don't have fear therefore respect of possible consquences, we're in the wrong business. It's helped keep me alive up until now.
We're all fallible, each and every one of us. I have fear of T/S's among other things in aviation. If we don't have fear therefore respect of possible consquences, we're in the wrong business. It's helped keep me alive up until now.
Last edited by Dan_Brown; 25th Jul 2019 at 01:21.
I was in JFK a couple of months ago in the queue for a 22 R departure but facing up towards the ILS arrival path during particularly bad weather, causing >1 hour ground and air delays.
We were surprised when our PWS went off as we were in the queue stationary on the taxiway. Suffice to say, the next couple of arrivals on the approach went around.
One of the times we were glad to be on the ground with loads of excess fuel happy to wait it all out.
We were surprised when our PWS went off as we were in the queue stationary on the taxiway. Suffice to say, the next couple of arrivals on the approach went around.
One of the times we were glad to be on the ground with loads of excess fuel happy to wait it all out.
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I would say sometimes people are less than careful depending on circumstances. KLM knew that if they did not depart it was going to be a long night. Tower asked if any of the other aircraft in line were willing to depart as KLM rolled. The radio stayed silent so the majority were careful and yes we all had a long night.
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On the 22nd at JFK with level 5 thunderstorms in the area a KLM flight took off with a 16 knot tailwind on 22R with a huge cell 3 miles N and tower calling a wind shear alert.
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Are you agreeing that both of them did risky departures?
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The above is correct however Delta had a headwind at the time of departure with no tower wind shear alerts. Both aircraft had a clear departure corridor after getting airborne. Winds and conditions were changing by the minute.
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We have not had a major windshear accident in a long time. It breeds complacency. This cell had the ability to turn that 16 knot tailwind into 50 knots in the blink of a eye. It’s good to be lucky but luck eventually runs out.
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This cell had the ability to turn that 16 knot tailwind into 50 knots in the blink of a eye.
It’s good to be lucky but luck eventually runs out.
You've had your say and made your point. It may be valid and it may not. You were not sitting in either of those cockpits.
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These guys weren't that lucky.
Accident: Pan American Airways 759
Accident: Pan American Airways 759